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2007-09-30 Afghanistan
Taliban rejects Karzai’s offer of peace talks until foreign troops leave Afghan soil
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Posted by gromgoru 2007-09-30 06:11|| || Front Page|| [11140 views ]  Top
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#1 perhaps teh Taliban would like to negotiate with President Dostum? I thought not
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2007-09-30 08:13||   2007-09-30 08:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Time for a little Reconquista.

/channeling Charlemegne
Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back!  2007-09-30 08:51||   2007-09-30 08:51|| Front Page Top

#3 They quickly rejected his appeal demanding that foreign troops must first withdraw from the country.

That would include the Pakies, Saudis, and Chechnyans, etc. That should leave you with no forces, wouldn't it?
Posted by Procopius2k 2007-09-30 09:09||   2007-09-30 09:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Talibs apparently better at sticking to their principles than Karzai.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2007-09-30 11:01||   2007-09-30 11:01|| Front Page Top

#5 I don't like this. Karzai is in a position of strength. The north and central of the country are quiet; Kabul is quiet; the Afghan National Army is steadily improving; the NATO allies are (slowly) committing more, not less, to the country; and the Talibunnies fall like bowling pins whenever they show themselves.

Now's the time for Karzai to make clear the consequences if the the Talibs fail to take an offer.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2007-09-30 12:09||   2007-09-30 12:09|| Front Page Top

#6 #1 perhaps teh Taliban would like to negotiate with President Dostum? I thought not
Posted by Frank G 2007-09-30 08:13|| Front Page|| ||Comments Top

General Dostum will "make them a deal they cannot refuse!" Whahahaha..... Excellent choice Frank.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-09-30 12:12||   2007-09-30 12:12|| Front Page Top

#7 He knew they wouldn't take him up on the offer. This was so he can say later "I didn't want to kill them all, but they gave me no choice."
Posted by Steve">Steve  2007-09-30 13:01||   2007-09-30 13:01|| Front Page Top

#8 S: Talibs apparently better at sticking to their principles than Karzai.

This is probably for the benefit of Taliban-supporting Afghans who are now teetering because of severe losses. It's the usual divide and conquer tactic of splitting off the Taliban who are tired of losses from the ones who want a fight to the finish.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-09-30 13:12|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2007-09-30 13:12|| Front Page Top

#9 Time for a little Reconquista.

Yup, JiB. End this farce now. A tidy little quote by Jeffry Imm from the excellent Counterterrorism Blog as posted here today by 3dc.
Earlier this month, Karzai called for peace talks with the Taliban, but the Taliban rejected such talks until "foreign troops" leave Afghanistan. This is a demand that Karzai has rejected on the basis: "[i]t should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan". Is Karzai saying that he just doesn't want western aid to stop, as it did for Hamas?
[emphasis added]

Karzai is just another Islamic blood tick. Exactly as with Iraq, the Afghan government needs to be disbanded in order that shari'a law can be removed from its constitution and an end put to how their tainted political process interferes with swift and total annihilation of the Taliban terrorists.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-30 15:32||   2007-09-30 15:32|| Front Page Top

#10 How much extra time do you want to give the Mullahs in Iran while America straightens out the Menace of Hamid Karzai?
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2007-09-30 15:52||   2007-09-30 15:52|| Front Page Top

#11 Where have I ever said that sorting out Karzai's treachery takes precedence over neutralizing Iran? Feel free to post some cites.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-30 16:10||   2007-09-30 16:10|| Front Page Top

#12 It's going to be a long time until the roads in Afghanistan are paved, power is ubiquitous and the army and police are up to snuff.

And in the meanwhile that army is being trained in good part by the US. Its leaders are being trained in a new military academy that is not only overtly modelled on West Point but also hosts rotating officers from West Point on its faculty. Friendships are being formed. The Army's leaders fully expect some of the graduates to move into civilian leadership over time, bringing a new national (vs tribal) identity with them.

Significantly different than Iraq and maybe than Pakistan.
Posted by lotp 2007-09-30 16:14||   2007-09-30 16:14|| Front Page Top

#13 Significantly different than Iraq and maybe than Pakistan.

How much is that difference worth if shari'a law's constant abuse of human rights continues unabated? Are we not a party to that abuse by allowing its resumption?
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-30 16:27||   2007-09-30 16:27|| Front Page Top

#14 I could really care less if they have sharia law as long as they aren't blowing up our buildings or protecting those who do. Moving from the stone age to the 21st century won't be done in a year. A little patience might be in order.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-09-30 16:43||   2007-09-30 16:43|| Front Page Top

#15 Where have I ever said that sorting out Karzai's treachery takes precedence over neutralizing Iran? Feel free to post some cites.

You're continually saying how awful it is we haven't fixed Afghanistan _to your liking_ when stopping to fix Afghanistan in such a manner is going to make fixing Iran impossible.
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2007-09-30 17:10||   2007-09-30 17:10|| Front Page Top

#16 I could really care less if they have sharia law as long as they aren't blowing up our buildings or protecting those who do.

I guess you just don't get it, then. From an Islamic site on shari'a law and jihad:

In religious parlance, this use of force is called Jihad, and in the Qur’an it can be classified in two distinct categories:

Firstly, against injustice and oppression.

Considering how farting in Mecca's general direction has been declared to be flagrant Islamophobia, just about anything an Infidel does currently constitutes "injustice and oppression" against Muslims. Or did the cartoonifada not make this clear?

Secondly, against the rejecters of truth after it has become evident to them.

Remember all those invitations bin Laden and Ahmadinejad have given Americans to embrace Islam? They've done it for a reason and it is in order to wage justified jihad because we have not immediately acquiesced to their demand for submission.

The first type of Jihad is an eternal directive of the Shari‘ah.

Got that? An ETERNAL DIRECTIVE OF THE SHARI'A. So long as shari'a law exists, Muslims are going to be "blowing up our buildings or protecting those who do". Need I make this any more clear?

As stated, it is launched to curb oppression and injustice. The second type, however, is specific to people whom the Almighty selects for delivering the truth as an obligation. They are called witnesses to the truth; the implication being that they bear witness to the truth before other people in such a complete and ultimate manner that no one is left with an excuse to deny the truth.

Which essentially grants any fanatical Muslim zealot the right to wage jihad against a pastrami sandwich if they so decide.

SHARI'A DECLARES JIHAD TO BE HALAL FOR MUSLIMS.

Shari'a essentially declares open season on all Infidels in all places.

Any questions?
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-30 17:32||   2007-09-30 17:32|| Front Page Top

#17 AS, you neatly skirted ran away from my question. Until you answer it, you are placed on "ignore".
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-09-30 17:34||   2007-09-30 17:34|| Front Page Top

#18 And you've avoided mine.
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2007-09-30 17:52||   2007-09-30 17:52|| Front Page Top

#19 "Karzai also offered Talliban a share in government to stop the bloodshed destroying the country."

"peace for our time"
-- Hamid "Neville Chamberlain" Karzai
Posted by Darrell 2007-09-30 18:03||   2007-09-30 18:03|| Front Page Top

#20 There's an ignore function? It damn sure ain't working for me.
Posted by Shipman 2007-09-30 18:32||   2007-09-30 18:32|| Front Page Top

#21 Wait.... there it is. Undocumented feature found!

Alt F5 (Genocidal Maniacs = Off)
Posted by Shipman 2007-09-30 18:40||   2007-09-30 18:40|| Front Page Top

#22 Cool! Can I set it to filter on the word MOAB and any reference to Hillary's thighs?
Posted by SteveS 2007-09-30 19:23||   2007-09-30 19:23|| Front Page Top

#23 I think for the thighs it's Alt F88.
Posted by lotp 2007-09-30 19:29||   2007-09-30 19:29|| Front Page Top

#24 EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA SHOWERS,

every time IT shows up on a thread more than once.
Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg  2007-09-30 22:46||   2007-09-30 22:46|| Front Page Top

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