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Schwarzenegger Signs Global Warming Bill

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Posted by Super Hose 2006-09-28 01:44|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 How very transnational of him. :: shudder ::

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-09-28 08:34|| 2006-09-28 08:34|| Front Page Top

#2 Schwartzenegger has moved from someone who could have gotten the Constituiton amended to a Jay Leno joke. Too bad for the people of Caliphornia who will lie in the bed of their own making.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-28 08:37|| 2006-09-28 08:37|| Front Page Top

#3 I used to live in California and I'm not surprised that he would sign this. This is something that the majority of Californians would support, even the Republicans. It is in the collective mindset there that more could and should be done to improve the quality of transportation and air quality and that the corporations need to be forced by government before they will spend the capital required to make it happnen. You can agree or disagree on the benefits of what he is doing - but as a California politician he is just representing his constituents.

Posted by anon 2006-09-28 08:43|| 2006-09-28 08:43|| Front Page Top

#4 NS - there is more than a bit of truth to the saying, people get the government they deserve.

I doubt even with the writing on the wall with an exodus of industry and capital from the state will alter their concept of reality. Its easier to blame others than clean your own house. As it spirls down into Mexican level of politics, police, and power, watch for real calls for 'reunion'. Something in me says cut the south off and give it back as an example to others of the consequence of their own actions. Just move a real wall north to include that portion south.

Posted by Omolugum Glerens7117 2006-09-28 08:47|| 2006-09-28 08:47|| Front Page Top

#5 I don't think the problem is so much the Mexicans as that Caliphornians have passed a tipping point where the majority of them are dependent on the government instead of themselves. The hard working Mexican immigrants will merely be turned into another victim class by the pubvlic employees who exist only to exploit the situation of the downtrodden. This is OK for the rich and famous because they have enough money to live well anywhere and are happy to finance the circus and bread for the masses. But, over time it will divide the state into the very rich and the government dependents with fewer and fewer middle class available to mediate.

Schwartezenegger gave the people an opportunity to free themselves from the tyranny of dependency and public unions. They decisively rejected it. Schwartzenegger's reaction to that rejection is what turned him into a joke. He should have resigned after that repudiation if he had any prinicples. But he just wanted to be the Governator, so he turned on a dime to do the people's will instead of being a leader as he had been. A pathetic display from someone who had been so inspiring. But, as you say the people get the government they deserve.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-28 09:00|| 2006-09-28 09:00|| Front Page Top

#6 Nimble, while I agree with much of what you said, Arnie is the best thing that's happened to California in a long time. He's as tough on immigration as the corrupt, democratically controlled government will allow him to be.

The reason that California has a corrupt, democratically controlled government is because for too long the Republican Party tried to force candidates on them that were out of sync with what the California Republicans wanted. While it's true that this will force more businesses out of state as well as some the other things that you wrote - there comes a point where you will lose elections if you don't give the people what they want. Californians want this. Little ol' Californian Republican ladies want this. He's a politician, not a dictator or God, and it would have been suicide for him not to give the majority of the people that he represents what they clearly want.

Posted by anon 2006-09-28 09:10|| 2006-09-28 09:10|| Front Page Top

#7 If the people want to go to hell, it's our job to help them get there? The alternative to politician is leader, not dictator or God. Anyone can give the masses what they want, that's easy.

Resigning might have been political suicide for him personally. But it might also have been the slap in the face the people of Caliphornia need. In any case he wouldn't have had to sully his reputation by dealing with the thugs who now run Caliphornia unchecked.

That's not for me. That's why I left.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-28 09:39|| 2006-09-28 09:39|| Front Page Top

#8 Have fun furthering you economic slide, California!

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2006-09-28 10:16|| 2006-09-28 10:16|| Front Page Top

#9 This is almost as dumb as the TV ads telling me how Jerry Brown will make a dandy AG, because he wants to stop all the criminals using .50BMG weapons against police officers.

Um, how many incidents, exactly, Jer? What's the minimum price of such a weapon? 3500 bucks, eh?

And the ammo costs HOW MUCH??!

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-09-28 10:35|| 2006-09-28 10:35|| Front Page Top

#10 If you're in the drug business, it's not much. But if you're in the drug business you probably aren't buying from Trader's Gun Store.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-28 11:18|| 2006-09-28 11:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Signing bills for imaginary problems when California has real ones. Arnie has turned into a real asshat.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-28 13:07|| 2006-09-28 13:07|| Front Page Top

#12 I don't know. I'd really like to see an analysis of the bill before I go jumping off against Arnold. If this is a bill that promotes the decrease of emissions through increased technology that will provide business incentives to the Silicon Valley to develop - then maybe it's not such a bad thing. So he sells it under the label of global warming and picks up votes by throwing the loonies a bone. The real question is what is in this bill? Is this something that is promoting the decrease in use of petroleum? That would be a good thing overall. Does it provide incentives to develop new and better technology? Maybe I'm just wishful thinking, but I'd really like to know what the bill enables.

Posted by anon 2006-09-28 13:18|| 2006-09-28 13:18|| Front Page Top

#13 It's more of the typical California "I don't care how you do it" crap. Mandated emission cuts (no tax credits or write-offs to buy the technology), plus it will eventually be illegal to buy energy from other states if they don't meet the emission limits.

All this to "solve" a problem that doesn't exist. Oh, well, I guess it's good for Arizona and Nevada and Utah.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2006-09-28 15:42|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2006-09-28 15:42|| Front Page Top

#14 I remember how flabbergasted I was when I moved to Fornicalfia and had to get my car inspected. All they cared about was the emissions. They could've cared less if the brakes, lights, etc worked. Roadworthy? Who cares! Sure, crash and kill a couple of families, but don't hurt the birdies or our ocean view! Amazing bullshit.

Posted by .com 2006-09-28 16:11|| 2006-09-28 16:11|| Front Page Top

#15 It's actually a fund-raising scheme, .com

As long as they get paid, it's all good.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-09-28 16:37|| 2006-09-28 16:37|| Front Page Top

#16 EXACTLY! Follow the money.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-28 17:07|| 2006-09-28 17:07|| Front Page Top

#17 It was well established in the 70s that cars in states with inspections are no safer than in states without. Most regulation ends up being captured by the entity that makes money as a result of the regulation.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-28 17:12|| 2006-09-28 17:12|| Front Page Top

#18 Dunno what you're talking about, NS. In both Texas and Utah your vehicle had to mechanically measure up - or no joy. And the inpectors loved it when your headlights were aimed too high or whatever - they charged for setting them properly or selling you the parts. Not a touchy-feely idiot notion of roadworthiness as in LalaLand.

Posted by .com 2006-09-28 17:16|| 2006-09-28 17:16|| Front Page Top

#19 What I'm talking about is that if you compare accident and fatality rates in states with saftey inspections against those without inspections in similar states (rural/urban, surface/interstate) there is no statistically significant difference. The inspections are just a mechanism to make money for the garqages by accelerating repairs. i.e. people have a big incentive to see that their car is minimally safe. Those who are stupid enough not to are mostly too stupid to own a car. Those who do are pretty equally distributed by state.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-28 17:22|| 2006-09-28 17:22|| Front Page Top

#20 Y'know what, that sound like total bullshit, lol. Mechanicaly sound vehicles are safer than unsound - and the suggestion that people aren't lazy dickweeds who'll drive a car until the wheels fall off belies my life experience, lol.

Pfooey, bro. :-) Fucking stat-junkies, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-09-28 17:46|| 2006-09-28 17:46|| Front Page Top

#21 I would rather the politician pass some greeenhouse gas bill than another bill granting full citizen rights to anybody that is gay, a pedaphile, or just simply hates Bush. Bottom line is that this bill will have little affect on anybody and it looks good.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-09-28 19:12|| 2006-09-28 19:12|| Front Page Top

#22 I've been a Mechanic, and am still qualified as "Master Mechanic", yes people WILL drive until the wheels fall off, then bitch and moan that a $100 brake job does not even start to fix the damage they caused.

Now I'm a Machinist, it's about ten times more challenging, and no idiots need apply. Have brains, or go home.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-09-28 19:16|| 2006-09-28 19:16|| Front Page Top

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