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2004-09-28 Home Front: WoT

"Gloom and Doom" Intelligence report way out of date!

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Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-28 12:12:43 AM|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Hmmm. Now the NYT is saying the pre-invasion NIE was even more pessimistic. Wonder if you could get a hold of the NIE's during Clinton's time especially all the ones they wrote warning about events like 911, the Cole, Kenya and Tanzania bombings, etc. I mean, these guys and the State Dept. Intelligence gurus are infallible in the eyes of the LLL media. How come only the ones that fit the Thymes partisanship have any merit worth discussing.

Posted by Jack is Back 2004-09-28 12:22:16 PM|| 2004-09-28 12:22:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 The problem with the article is that while Austin Bay disagrees with the content of the NIE, nowhere does he show that it's an old estimate. He merely asserts that its conclusions are out of date. Just because you disagree with someone (and I, based on nothing but what I read, concur that the NIE is probably not reflective of the current situation), doesn't mean that you should imply that the NYT published an out of date document.

Posted by RWV 2004-09-28 1:37:50 PM|| 2004-09-28 1:37:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 RWV, you are exactly right. The posting and comment are nonsense.

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-09-28 3:22:56 PM|| 2004-09-28 3:22:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 RWV and Mike, the issue is not the report being outdated (it was released in July) but the information and data that makes it up was from March through June 2004. Lot of water under the bridge since then - including handover to the Iraqis. The NYT is either disengenuous knowing the above facts or is just naive in not understanding that report dates are not necessarily as current as the date suggests but depends on posted data and time to analyze it and condense it. That doesn't even appear in the report. They report it as if in July this was the situation which it wasn't but rather the situation in the spring.

Posted by Jack is Back 2004-09-28 4:22:42 PM|| 2004-09-28 4:22:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#5
Re #4 (JIB): (it was released in July) but the information and data that makes it up was from March through June 2004

I don't see that info in the posting.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-09-28 4:57:10 PM|| 2004-09-28 4:57:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Where is the corpus delicatable? No date, no case, it's all lies! Quagmire!

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-28 6:08:39 PM|| 2004-09-28 6:08:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 He gives enough info.

I have heard (nevermind where) the data cited is vintage April during the Fallujah. And like most good sets of analysis, there is the Optimist, Pessimist and "Realist" sets of analysis, and this one was the Pessimists report - meant to show "worst case" so the full set of risks could be properly assessed.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-28 8:23:53 PM|| 2004-09-28 8:23:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 OS, I believe. The real question is who is leaking NIE's to try and support Kerry. There seem to be a lot of political holdovers from the long dark night of the Clinton years.

Posted by RWV 2004-09-28 10:32:23 PM|| 2004-09-28 10:32:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Old Spook, did you check out Ellsberg's call on all traitors to release whatever damaging information they posess to sing the election. He is a gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-28 10:51:41 PM|| 2004-09-28 10:51:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Ellsberg? Well, what more would expect from him? He wants people to break their oaths.

As for the NIE leak, not only are there Clintonites, there are people in DoD who hate Rumsfeld, and may be stupid enough to think they can control Kerry and his SecDef.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-28 11:48:47 PM|| 2004-09-28 11:48:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Someone should do a pseudodocument creation, something like Daniel Ellsberg psychiatric files, a missing page from the stolen files, which show conclusively that Ellseberg was planning to vote for Nixon in 1972, had found funding for a USO poetry reading tour of Viet Nam and that is why he was seeing a shrink, etc; written in MS Word of course with emoticons, and the works.

Could be a lot of fun.

Posted by badanov 2004-09-29 12:15:33 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif] 2004-09-29 12:15:33 AM|| Front Page Top

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