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2004-09-21 Home Front: Politix
CBS backs off Guard story (Or Portrait of a MAD MAN)
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Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-09-21 7:17:53 AM|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 (CS - the link in this is bad....)

What pisses me off and is completely unnoticed is that, if it weren't for blogs, CBS/Burkett/Kerry would have gotten away with it. If it weren't for blogs and the checking and discussion that is done this would have been completely unnoticed! Yet they are not getting the credit for uncovering it.

Just saw a FOX interview with a Kerry Spokesmen (dont remember his name) who verified that Maples contacted him to contact Burkett. The spokesperson says he did so but the forged memos never came up. Somehow I doubt that Burkett would have have failed to mention them. But what gets me is the spokesperson then essentually said 'but the memos prove that Bush was a slacker!'.

I wonder if Burkett had taped that telephone call..... he seems the type that might....
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-21 9:55:27 AM||   2004-09-21 9:55:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Burkett now maintains that the source of the papers was Lucy Ramirez, who he says phoned him from Houston in March to offer the documents. USA TODAY has been unable to locate Ramirez.

Hmmm - I didn't know Lockhart had a sweetie in Huston named Lucy...

But unable to locate? Is it milk carton time?

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-21 11:55:40 AM||   2004-09-21 11:55:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 "I didn't forge anything," Burkett said. "I didn't fake any documents. The only thing I've done here is to transfer documents from people I thought were real to people I thought were real. And that has been the limitation of my role. I may have been a patsy."

I am channeling the spirit of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-21 12:18:50 PM||   2004-09-21 12:18:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Can anyone do a lex/nex search on Lucy? I swear I have heard that name before. I am not sure if it's a person or a character in a novel. It's sort of sounds like a made up spy name.
Posted by Cyber Sarge  2004-09-21 12:28:48 PM||   2004-09-21 12:28:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Indeed blogs were instrumental in calling out the forgery, showing how it was done, and figuring out Burkett's role (I found a weblog comment of Burkett's himself, dated Aug-14, where he hints at the documents used by CBS).

Not only would CBS/Kerry have gotten away with it, but even if someone had managed to voice doubts about the documents, it's unlikely that they would have been tracked back to the source(s). It's quite ironical that the evidence of the forgery was provided by CBS on their own website.

The lesson I've learnt from the past few years is that the Old Media will lie whenever their ideology finds it convenient. The NYT, BBC, USA Today and CBS scandals should be proof enough that they cannot be trusted for anything. NOT A SHRED OF CREDIBILITY.

Which, as someone pointed out recently, brings us nicely back to the Age of Enlightenment: thanks to the Internet, each one must be his own independent seeker and judge of both facts and sources. The return to objectivity has begun.
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-09-21 12:35:26 PM|| [http://radio.weblogs.com/0103811/categories/currentEvents/]  2004-09-21 12:35:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 "At Burkett's request, we gave his (telephone) number to the campaign," said Betsy West, senior CBS News vice president.

CBS would not discuss the propriety of the network serving as a conduit between its partisan source, Burkett, and the Kerry campaign. “It was not part of any deal” with Burkett to obtain the documents, West said, declining to elaborate.

But Burkett said Monday that his contact with Lockhart was indeed part of an "understanding" with CBS. Burkett said his interest in contacting the campaign was to offer advice in responding to Republican criticisms about Kerry's Vietnam service. It had nothing to do with the documents, he said.

Lockhart said he phoned Burkett at the number provided by CBS. Lockhart also said that subject of the documents never came up in his conversation with Burkett. Lockhart said the conversation lasted just a few minutes. "It's possible that the producer said they had documents," before his conversation with Burkett, he said."
This is from the National Review Online. It seems CBS wnated Burkett to be the Fall Guy and he's putting it right back on CBS.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-09-21 12:53:09 PM||   2004-09-21 12:53:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, (doing quick google phone book search) there are two listings for "Lucy Ramirez" in the Houston area, and two in San Antonio... Not much gets by CBS these days, they will have noticed that "Ramirez" is a pretty frequently occuring name around here, exceeded only by "Martinez" and "Garcia".
Posted by Sgt. Mom 2004-09-21 1:25:08 PM|| [http://www.sgtstryker.com]  2004-09-21 1:25:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 No record of "Lucy Ramirez" on Open Secrets... must not be any sort of big-time donor.
Posted by eLarson 2004-09-21 1:31:29 PM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2004-09-21 1:31:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Google New pointed me to Daily Kos Blg, which had an entry by a "lectric"

Kos Entry

I googled the name and the second hit was for a Republican website where Texas Congressman Ruben Hinojosa thanks Lucy Ramirez for her ability to facillitate local/federal partnerships.

Only problem is, Hinojosa is a DEMOCRAT.

On his website:

Congressman Hinojosa's remarks at San Juan Nuestra Clinica groundbreaking

April 7, 2004 – It is a pleasure to be here today. I would like to thank Mayor Laredo, Mr. Gonzalez, and of course, Lucy Ramirez and the board members present for allowing me to take part in this very special event.
Cong Hinojosa
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-21 2:15:04 PM||   2004-09-21 2:15:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 GOOGLE NEWS...Sorry
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-21 2:15:40 PM||   2004-09-21 2:15:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 GP's link is here.
Posted by Steve White  2004-09-21 5:52:18 PM||   2004-09-21 5:52:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 you mean Lucy of the mysterious passed envelope by a man at the livestock auction? Jeez, what's the frequency, Kenneth? Rather's seriously had some loose screws for a long time. Fire his Donk-loving Lying ass, CBS, or be damned as a news source*


* I'm lying, no matter what they do, I'll never believe anything they say :-)
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-21 5:56:56 PM||   2004-09-21 5:56:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Can anyone do a lex/nex search on Lucy? I swear I have heard that name before. I am not sure if it's a person or a character in a novel. It's sort of sounds like a made up spy name.
I read today that Lucy Ramirez was a character on the Chris Issak Show in 2001. She was played by Lexa Doig who, BTW, has done a lot of science fiction roles. Try Googling "Lexa Doig" + "Lucy Ramirez"
Posted by Biff Wellington 2004-09-21 11:27:23 PM||   2004-09-21 11:27:23 PM|| Front Page Top

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