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2004-09-16 Home Front: Politix
CBS Guard docs traced to Kinko's in Abilene TX
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Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-16 12:32:02 AM|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 *sound of impact*

Question for our members versed in such things: Can LTC Killian's family sue or charge Burkett if it is indeed determined that he made this stuff up?

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2004-09-16 12:36:15 AM||   2004-09-16 12:36:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 There is also the Kinko's security camera (if they have one). Smile Mr Burkett.

How do you like that orange jumpsuit?
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-16 12:42:52 AM||   2004-09-16 12:42:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Since deliberate fraud is culpable, the family would seem to be able to recover for the mental anguish and inconvenience caused by having to deal with these charges.
There is still the question of whether the source could be charged with forging a military document, a criminal offense.
That these were putatively intended for Killian's personal files may not be a defense since they were supposedly made on military time and are relevant to military business, including, but not limited to, the selection of the Commander in Chief.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-16 12:44:29 AM||   2004-09-16 12:44:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Ya' know, I never really expected, or dared to hope, that we would have a "Hitler suicide" moment in the struggle against the authoritarian-left media, but this could well be it.

It isn't just the MSM that is going down over this, it is the entire left-activist cultural empire.

Their 40 year reign of cultural terror is coming to a dramatic and supremely satisfying end.

I swore 30 years ago that I would live to see the treasonous media bastards pay for their betrayal. Praise Heaven and the blogosphere, it has come to pass.

The dead of Tet and An Loc and Khe Sanh and a thousand other places are avenged and they can rest in peace.


Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-16 12:57:11 AM||   2004-09-16 12:57:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Well put.

And it's one helluva nice 'Welcome Home' for those who made it back.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-16 1:03:40 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif]  2004-09-16 1:03:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Actually if they turn out ot be "genuine" then Burkett is chargeable under several violations of privacy laws and the USAF Regualtions regarding retention of personal files past the departure of the AF Person subject of those files.

In other words, if they were bad docs, Burket is hosed for fabricating them and perpetrating a libelous fraud. If they are genuine then he violated a lot of laws and UASF regs, and will come under severe penalty.

Either way it goes, if he is the one, then he is screwed.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-16 1:13:19 AM||   2004-09-16 1:13:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 LTC Killian's will have to wait in line. This is a deliberate attempt to influence a federal election. Now granted no one seems to pay much attention to election laws in this country, but whoever put this one together needs to be put away and for a lot longer than Martha Stewart.
Posted by Douglas De Bono  2004-09-16 1:14:50 AM|| [http://www.DouglasDeBono.com]  2004-09-16 1:14:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 One addition, Burkett has an active "standing account" at that Kinos and the clerk contacted there remembers him being in Tuesday of last week.

Starting to see the smoke, just waiting for enough of it to clear to see the barrel of the gun.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-16 1:14:57 AM||   2004-09-16 1:14:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Is there a Kerry connection?
Posted by lex 2004-09-16 1:32:13 AM||   2004-09-16 1:32:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 There is one discrepancy, CBS claimed that they were sitting on it for some weeks. May have been a device to add more "credibility".

If Burkett as a source of forgeries is confirmed with the timeline that the Kinko trail seems to suggest, then CBS ought to change its name to C-BS, mandatory, or the FCC license should be revoked.
Posted by Zarathustra 2004-09-16 1:33:12 AM||   2004-09-16 1:33:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Interesting to note his 28 years of service.

ROPMA dictates an O-5 officer Mandatory Separation Date as the first day of the month after the month in which the officer completes 28 years of commissioned
Posted by anymouse  2004-09-16 1:33:30 AM||   2004-09-16 1:33:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 For 9 months now our President has been beaten to death with bullshit, Enviro, School, Health care (God help us), National Guard, Hitler, Liar, Cheater,.......
This man has done more for our country than the last 10 presidents. Including FDR.

My lord warned me of such creatures.
I say LOCK&LOAD!! Sheethead and Commie Pinko season started early!!
Posted by Long Hair Republican  2004-09-16 1:36:15 AM||   2004-09-16 1:36:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Lex, the obvious motive was to put Kerry in the White House. Beyond that, there is no solid connection. The American Spectator said that an inside source at the DNC had claimed that the DNC had the docs in hand for several weeks wondering what to do about them, then passed them along to CBS. That could still turn out to be the case, since we don't know that they were faxed directly to CBS from Kinko's.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-16 1:39:45 AM||   2004-09-16 1:39:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Long Hair Republican, next time you will be saying he has done more for America than Ronald Reagan (who must be part of those last ten presidents) and more for the GOP than Abraham Lincoln.
Posted by JFM  2004-09-16 1:44:22 AM||   2004-09-16 1:44:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 I am all for sending some folks out to his ranch if this bozo is the source.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-16 2:46:25 AM||   2004-09-16 2:46:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 The Spectator has a good piece on Danny Boy titled: Mad Dan’s Noble Lie
Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-16 4:14:56 AM||   2004-09-16 4:14:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Thanx for the link SH.
You can be an honest person and lie about any number of things. Dan Rather

Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society. Ralph Waldo Emerson
Posted by GK 2004-09-16 5:20:56 AM||   2004-09-16 5:20:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 GK, no wonder the Left is so enamored with Islamonazis.

Taqiyya and Rathers' credo are essentially the same thing.
Posted by Zarathustra 2004-09-16 7:10:40 AM||   2004-09-16 7:10:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 I think we have at least the patsy in Burkett. He's the Oswald for this thing.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-16 9:27:47 AM||   2004-09-16 9:27:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Who beter to hang it on than the village idiot. Maybe it was Rove.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-16 9:30:52 AM||   2004-09-16 9:30:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Burkett, Burkett, you were playing way above your league. . . your hatred will consume you in more ways than one.
Posted by 2B 2004-09-16 9:43:09 AM||   2004-09-16 9:43:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 He's the Oswald for this thing
What? Not you too? Please say it ain't so.
Posted by Shipman 2004-09-16 10:36:28 AM||   2004-09-16 10:36:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Been following this and loving every minute of it in between new classes.

Check and mate, you leftist bastards.

BTW, Michael Moore's going to be speaking in my area in a few weeks. I'm thinking of going with a few of my friends and asking him some nasty questions . . . send me any suggestions you might have, and I'd be happy to post a synopsis afterwards.
Posted by The Doctor  2004-09-16 11:16:22 AM||   2004-09-16 11:16:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 All the best conspiracies have cut-outs, Shipman. It's de rigeur...
Posted by mojo  2004-09-16 11:31:48 AM||   2004-09-16 11:31:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 Kinko Abilene
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-16 11:49:48 AM||   2004-09-16 11:49:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 LGF has an excerpt from KMC Live (news media?) who has talked to someone at Kinko's. They stated Burkett has a "standing account" there and has been in as recently as last week. It just gets more and more entertaining every day!
Posted by Dar  2004-09-16 1:45:31 PM||   2004-09-16 1:45:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Under US law, it is not possible to libel a dead person.
Posted by Steven Den Beste  2004-09-16 2:03:28 PM|| [http://denbeste.nu]  2004-09-16 2:03:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Defamation of character, however....
Posted by mojo  2004-09-16 2:15:27 PM||   2004-09-16 2:15:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Den Beste's knowledge of law is as complete as his knowledge of miliitary strategy.

The estate CAN sue and for any number of torts.
Posted by badanov  2004-09-16 2:17:33 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-09-16 2:17:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Phone records. Do they know when that "document" was faxed? All that has to be done is pull the Abilene Kinko's phone records to verify. A number on the record that points to a connection at CBS HQ would be "Rather" incriminating....
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-09-16 2:35:31 PM||   2004-09-16 2:35:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 The estate CAN sue and for any number of torts.

True, but the ability of the estate to do so is generally a statutory result (through a Survival of Actions law) and is in derogation of the common law, is state specific, and I cannot think of a case where the estate was permitted to sue for damages presently being done to the reputation of a now dead person (as distinguished from the reputation, say, of the personal representative of the estate). Said less technically, the dead cannot be defamed.

HOWEVER, the family of this man probably can sue for a number of other torts, like:
EXTREME AND OUTRAGEOUS CONDUCT — EMOTIONAL DISTRESS: Extreme and outrageous conduct is conduct that is so outrageous in character, and so extreme in degree, that a reasonable member of the community would regard the conduct as atrocious, going beyond all possible bounds of decency and utterly intolerable in a civilized community. Such outrageous conduct occurs when knowledge of all the facts by a reasonable member of the community would arouse that person’s resentment against the defendant, and lead that person to conclude that the conduct was extreme and outrageous. (Colorado Jury Instruction 23:2)
Posted by cingold 2004-09-16 3:42:13 PM||   2004-09-16 3:42:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 B-a-r You got it : PHONE RECORDS PHONE RECORDS PHONE RECORDS

Schmooze the Kinko's manager, and mabye get copies
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-16 3:47:10 PM||   2004-09-16 3:47:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 BigEd you need a new Rx for your glasses...
Posted by Seafarious  2004-09-16 3:50:04 PM||   2004-09-16 3:50:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 In the sound bites I heard from Rather last night, Dan portrays the authenticity of the memos as still only "disputed" not wholly discreditted. I still think that a call to the post master to verify whether the PO box on the memos is valid is justified. If the PO Box doesn't exist or was not used by the Texas Guard, then the documents are demonstrably forged. Contacting the post master is an endrun that would be very difficult to block and would result in a decisive victory.
Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-16 4:15:10 PM||   2004-09-16 4:15:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 
Anyone think of sending something to PO Boxes with a return recipt and seeing who picks up the mail?
Posted by BigEd 2004-09-16 5:00:24 PM||   2004-09-16 5:00:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 As I said earlier, I think lawsuits in general in this sort of case are a bad idea.

Rather has lied, he's been caught, we were lucky he tried something really stupid this time, and he's badly damaged his credibility, CBS's credibility, and to a lesser extent, the credibility of other press organizations.

Bush appears to be gaining in the polls throughout this whole situation. I doubt suing is necessary, and think it would not be helpful, if it gave the appearance of Those Nasty Rethuglicans Trying To Supress The Truth Again.

CBS has made fools of themselves. We should let them continue to do so.
Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-09-16 6:24:46 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]  2004-09-16 6:24:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 (Argh; I should have written: "...if it gave the appearance that those nasty rethuglicans are trying to suppress the truth again...")

Anyway, I do think that there is one group who might both have a strong case in a lawsuit, and for whom a lawsuit might be a good idea: CBS's stockholders.

Or maybe it would be a better idea if everyone just shorted the stock.
Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-09-16 6:32:09 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]  2004-09-16 6:32:09 PM|| Front Page Top

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