Archived material Access restricted Article
Rantburg

Today's Front Page   View All of Sun 09/13/2009 View Sat 09/12/2009 View Fri 09/11/2009 View Thu 09/10/2009 View Wed 09/09/2009 View Tue 09/08/2009 View Mon 09/07/2009
1
2009-09-13 Home Front: Politix
Dead at Home, F-22 Looks for Market Abroad
Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.
Posted by Steve White 2009-09-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ]  Top

#1 No. Hell no. Fucking hell no.

DO. NOT. SELL. IT.

Unless you want Russia or China to have it.
Posted by DarthVader 2009-09-13 00:55||   2009-09-13 00:55|| Front Page Top

#2 Given cost/performance, Darth, they probably do.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-09-13 02:42||   2009-09-13 02:42|| Front Page Top

#3 But, but..Gates keeps saying that the F-22 is old tech that we don't need anymore!
Posted by tipover 2009-09-13 03:28||   2009-09-13 03:28|| Front Page Top

#4 Well, Lockheed Martin's production line would have to close otherwise. Who's making the decisions, patriotic bureaucrats who want what's best for America, or people who don't even bother disguising the bribes they take?
Posted by gromky 2009-09-13 03:39||   2009-09-13 03:39|| Front Page Top

#5 went to an airshow last summer and saw this bird in action... totally awesome.

sucks that Gates is a slippery weasel ad axed the thing.

seriously, it gave me wood to watch this fly.
Posted by abu do you love ">abu do you love  2009-09-13 05:41||   2009-09-13 05:41|| Front Page Top

#6 Don't sell anything to anyone for any reason, else the chinks and russ will get it.

That goes double for the juice, poms and japs.
Posted by .5MT 2009-09-13 06:40||   2009-09-13 06:40|| Front Page Top

#7 Hell I been thinking about this for ten minutes or so....

This damn thing is too sekret even for the USAF, best to destroy the tooling now before it falls into the hands of the commies who will turn it against us and plow under every 3rd American boy.
Posted by .5MT 2009-09-13 06:54||   2009-09-13 06:54|| Front Page Top

#8 OK, look at who's getting being shopped for with this A/C...the Aussies, the Japanese, or the Israelis. 1), the full potential of the airframe won't be delivered to the final customer, it USG secret and it's also Proprietary. 2) Are the Aussies, Japanese, or the Israelis going to sell it to the Commies? If the US doesn't want this tech, then there are 3x very friendly countries that do, all of which will allow us to work the kinks out. Good deal.
Posted by MoreScotch4me 2009-09-13 09:49||   2009-09-13 09:49|| Front Page Top

#9 I for one have never trustered the tropical-poms, the japs, or the juice, sure as hell they will steel our sekrets forumla and sell it to the godless commies.

Thank gawd for Canada, all we gotta do for them is up-grade their BOMARCs and they be happy.

Hail BACK BACKON!
Posted by .5MT 2009-09-13 11:19||   2009-09-13 11:19|| Front Page Top

#10 For Sale: Baddest ass fighter jet to ever exist.

I'd say sell it to the Japanese and Australians just to give China something else to worry about. On top of that, these things are going to be expensive to upgrade over the next 20+ years and having other countries own them could help spread some of those R&D costs.
Posted by Mike N. 2009-09-13 12:00||   2009-09-13 12:00|| Front Page Top

#11 The real secrets are the electronics; the airframe and powerplant stuff is already dated tech.
So we just ell them a 'daily driver' and it will be up to them to plug in the latest technocrap.
The IAF is still upgrading Skyhawks and Phantoms via the electronic route; the airframe and engines are still capable of getting the job done. I don't see a problem selling this bird. Especially since we sell the F-16 and the F-18 to lots of folks.
Posted by USN, Ret. 2009-09-13 12:21||   2009-09-13 12:21|| Front Page Top

#12 I for one have never trustered the tropical-poms, the japs, or the juice, sure as hell they will steel our sekrets forumla and sell it to the godless commies.


It was semi-amusing the first two times, Ship.

Knock it off.
Posted by Pappy 2009-09-13 12:28||   2009-09-13 12:28|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm pleased you liked it the first 2 times.
Posted by .5MT 2009-09-13 13:20||   2009-09-13 13:20|| Front Page Top

#14 I'm not.

There's enuf stupid here in the Burg without having someone play Teh Ironickal Hipstah and post deliberate- stupid.

Knock it off.
Posted by Pappy 2009-09-13 13:33||   2009-09-13 13:33|| Front Page Top

#15 [funky skunk has been pooplisted.]
Posted by funky skunk 2009-09-13 14:21||   2009-09-13 14:21|| Front Page Top

#16 [funky skunk has been pooplisted.]
Posted by funky skunk 2009-09-13 14:22||   2009-09-13 14:22|| Front Page Top

#17 If the F-22 was sold to Israel I have to think they would be willing to trade it or data about it to Russia or China if the price was right. Say, in exchange for their causing an end to the Iranian nuclear weapons program. No idea if such really COULD be done, but am sure it would be considered. Not only that, but if it could (verifiably) be done, it would likely be a good bargain for all of us. F-22 is great technology but for the last war (the one that wasn't really fought on the battlefield), not the next one.
Posted by Glenmore 2009-09-13 15:35||   2009-09-13 15:35|| Front Page Top

#18 Obama will NEVER allow us to sell it to Israel
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2009-09-13 15:38||   2009-09-13 15:38|| Front Page Top

#19 I find it somewhat amusing that some don't think we need the F-22. Most of the aircraft that we like so well would not survive the start of the air battle with a developed nation. Until the skies and AA systems are cleared most of the rest of the aircraft are worthless. The F-35 is NOT on line yet and who knows what "warts" it will have. I do know that the F-35 is so loud that I suspect there will be problems with basing in built up areas. I would be interested the know what the Navy pilots think of single engine operation at sea (with a newly developed engine).
Posted by tipover 2009-09-13 18:49||   2009-09-13 18:49|| Front Page Top

#20 F-22?

I want one of these:

But I read that the current administration is going to cut back NASA (JFK doing warp speed in his grave), so I'm not holding my oxygen.


/Pegasus, FTW
Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2009-09-13 19:39||   2009-09-13 19:39|| Front Page Top

23:58 trailing wife
23:54 Nimble Spemble
23:29 Broadhead6
23:28 trailing wife
23:26 trailing wife
23:24 JosephMendiola
23:21 rammer
23:21 JosephMendiola
23:16 Pappy
23:12 trailing wife
23:07 Pappy
23:04 trailing wife
22:51 trailing wife
22:29 rhodesiafever
22:10 Woozle Uneter9007
22:06 Woozle Uneter9007
21:08 Old Patriot
20:59 Old Patriot
20:58 Asymmetrical Triangulation
20:50 Rambler in Virginia
20:39 Old Patriot
20:35 JosephMendiola
20:33 JosephMendiola
20:27 lotp









Paypal:
Google
Search WWW Search rantburg.com