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2004-09-13 Home Front: Politix

Drudge: Dems attack Bush claim of service this wk (Already busted!)

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Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-13 2:47:09 AM|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Oops - don't think this belongs on page one. Sorry.

Check this image of the actual Bush DD214 out: (hat tip: Bandit's Hideout

http://collegeclubrefugee.com/images/ANG.JPG

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-13 2:50:20 AM|| 2004-09-13 2:50:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 it munged the link. Should be a link to:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/1-Enlistment_Packet.pdf

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-13 3:31:58 AM|| 2004-09-13 3:31:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Are these clowns really that stupid?

Yep. They are.

Posted by nada 2004-09-13 6:48:50 AM|| 2004-09-13 6:48:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 I think you're being unkind to stupid people when comparing them to the incredible imploding campaign.

I think they're much closer to brain dead.

Posted by Douglas De Bono 2004-09-13 6:56:15 AM|| [http://www.DouglasDeBono.com] 2004-09-13 6:56:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Here's a Skeery moment...

Posted by .com 2004-09-13 7:51:59 AM|| 2004-09-13 7:51:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Best info I've seen on late sixities, early seventies typography and it's bearing on the Bush documents from an expert. Enlightenment.

via LGF

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-13 8:09:58 AM|| 2004-09-13 8:09:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Nuance, folks. Nuance.

Posted by tu3031 2004-09-13 9:12:47 AM|| 2004-09-13 9:12:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Corrected link.

Posted by .com 2004-09-13 9:18:17 AM|| 2004-09-13 9:18:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Saw Earl W. Lively on Fox and Friends this AM. He was Ops Boss or some such of the Texas Unit while Bush served. He brought forward a point that I hadn't heard before. He said that Bush had not jumped in front of a bunch of people for his slot in the Texas Air Guard. Lively says that the long line was full of people that were interested in airman slots and had neither the qualification nor the interest in flying high performance aircraft. Preparing a pilot package took extra time and physicals that Bush did on his own because he wanted to fly. Lively pointed out that risking your life in flight school is a piss-poor way of hiding from military service.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-13 9:46:12 AM|| 2004-09-13 9:46:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Newsmax has a story that had a few items that I didn't know about:

1. Gary Killian urged Mapes to interview Dean Roome, who roomed with Bush during his time in the Guard. Ms. Mapes explained that "60 Minutes" had already conducted the interview but was unlikely to include Roome's account in its report, telling Killian Jr.: "We think he is pretty pro-Bush."

2. Killian recalled that he immediately questioned whether his father would have written the critical comments, telling Hannity that he knew his father actually admired Bush because "we talked about it." Killian Jr. even warned "60 Minutes" that any documents purporting otherwise were likely to be of questionable origin.

3. Mrs. Killian has since challenged the authenticity of the CBS documents, saying her husband didn't even know how to type.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-09-13 9:56:13 AM|| 2004-09-13 9:56:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 smart move by the Donks to keep bringing up Viet Nam. Otherwise people might forget about it

(/sarcasm)

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-13 10:09:59 AM|| 2004-09-13 10:09:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 They just don't get it. The criticism of Kerry is based upon his claims to be a war hero and the fact that HE brought up Vietnam. But that doesn't mean Vietnam or the candidates' military service is the central issue! It's barely on the map, but since Kerry still won't talk about anything else of substance, of course it's going to be criticized ad nauseum.

Kerry, work on your explanation re: your slander and lies during your "war protester" period, and work on defending your Senate record, both of which lasted longer than your Vietnam service anyway. You ain't hurting the President by trying to bash his records as a young man; he's already admitted to making alot of mistakes as a young man. You have to beat W the President, not W the rowdy 20something.

Or as Ric Flair puts it: "In order to be the Man, you've gotta beat the Man".

Posted by Chris W. 2004-09-13 10:15:41 AM|| 2004-09-13 10:15:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 I guess its time for yet another Kerry-Clinton chat.

Posted by mhw 2004-09-13 11:00:39 AM|| 2004-09-13 11:00:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 So I guess this means the National Guardsmen in Iraq aren't really getting shot at.

Posted by Matt 2004-09-13 11:24:22 AM|| 2004-09-13 11:24:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Let's hope Kerry's OODA loop is 8 weeks.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-13 11:28:23 AM|| 2004-09-13 11:28:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 So I guess this means the National Guardsmen in Iraq aren't really getting shot at.

bet they'll be glad to hear that. Looks like the Donks are gonna have to try and disqualify the military vote again to keep Kerry in the double digits

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-13 11:31:01 AM|| 2004-09-13 11:31:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 OODA? More like OP-DROP.

Observe, Poll, Decide, Reverse Observation, Punt.

Posted by Matt 2004-09-13 12:05:39 PM|| 2004-09-13 12:05:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Lemee see-

CBS stonewalls, proclaiming forged documents are OK, because what's inside them is the "truth"

Dan Delusional broadcasts them, producer Mary Mapes gets them from one Bill Burkett.

Now, apparently Burkett, a former national guard person, is frothing, maybe literally, because he didn't get the medical care after getting a "tropical disease" after being sent to Panama on a military assignment.

One of the symptoms he complains abnout was encephalitis. Isn't one of the outward symptoms of encephalitis supposed to be dementia?

But hey, "We at CBS know we have the most left-wing audience. THEY EXPECT US TO LIE! They want to feel good!"

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-13 12:12:23 PM|| 2004-09-13 12:12:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 The football analogy is very apt:

CBS, down 21 points against the Blogs, on its own 20 yard line, start of the third quarter, 3rd down ten, decides to throw a hail mary. Dan Rather goes on a straight pattern right on the seam, but he is met with a db who tips the ball, and free safety Charles Johnson who intercepts, laterals to the northern alliance lawyers, who are running it back. Wide receiver Dan Rather tried to tackle Johson, missed and is trying to catch the lawyers, who are running it in for a touchdown.

Posted by badanov 2004-09-13 12:18:50 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-09-13 12:18:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 "Lively says that the long line was full of people that were interested in airman slots and had neither the qualification nor the interest in flying high performance aircraft."

This is exactly the source of frustration with Affirmative Action.

Example: A position is advertised with specific qualications requisite. 100 people respond.
99 are men. 1 is a woman.

Of the 99 who are men, perhaps 25 are well and truly qualified for the position, the other 74 are not.

The position is set aside for a woman however and since she too is qualified, she gets the job.

Maybe 25 guys have a right to complain but instead you have 99 guys complaining, even though 74 of them were never really under consideration.

Bush, in addition to wealth, looks, influence, etc., also had the 'right stuff' to fly fighter planes. Most of the guys who washed out or weren't picked might think they coulda, woulda, shoulda been pilots, too, but it was never gonna happen, Bush or no Bush.

Posted by JDB 2004-09-13 12:34:01 PM|| 2004-09-13 12:34:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Rush just said that CBS can't get a look at the originals from their source ({probably Bill "encephalitis" Burkett}-my add BE)

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-13 12:53:52 PM|| 2004-09-13 12:53:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Because they're laser-printed on acid-free paper.

Posted by mojo 2004-09-13 4:57:29 PM|| 2004-09-13 4:57:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Rather led off the news with another lame attempt at explaining why they think the docs are legit.

More wood into the wood chipper.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-13 8:21:16 PM|| 2004-09-13 8:21:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Wizbang has a sorta recap of his comments. Sounds like it was very weak. CBS legal has to be previewing this stuff. What are they telling their client, both as attorneys and as objective viewers?

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-13 8:24:44 PM|| 2004-09-13 8:24:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Mr and Mrs. D: fine question. I suspect one thing the lawyers are asking themselves is whether they need to advise Gunga Dan, and others, to get separate counsel. And I would guess Dan has already done so. I suspect also that there have been serious conversations (probably at the lawyer level to make discovery more difficult) among CBS, the DNC and the Kerry campaign about who did what to whom.

Posted by Matt 2004-09-13 9:49:03 PM|| 2004-09-13 9:49:03 PM|| Front Page Top

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