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2006-09-11 Home Front: Culture Wars

Required Reading: Why We Cannot Rely on Moderate Muslims

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Posted by Zenster 2006-09-11 00:08|| || Front Page|| [11138 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 This is the definitive word.

Posted by .com 2006-09-11 03:23|| 2006-09-11 03:23|| Front Page Top

#2 .com, a long time ago you asked about my political background. I gave you my best answers in the thread you posted on Saturday titled, "I Just Called To Say I Love You ". I hope you had a chance to catch it.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-11 03:40|| 2006-09-11 03:40|| Front Page Top

#3 Wow, Chris. I'm humbled.

We've all come to this point, the spectrum of views among those who realize the stakes involved, via wildly convoluted paths. I have to admit I always find I have doubts when I see someone post that they've always been True Red Conservatives, lol. That's me just providing myself a little cover, lol...

Since I voted for Carter when he won, I freely admit I was once a prime candidate for Moonbat Central, may Gawd have mercy on my tortured sole, Grid Willing, lol. My "protest vote" came in 1992 when I voted, via absentee ballot from my first tour in Saudi, for Ross Perot. I had discovered that my Arabian Adventure was romantic idiocy, but I still did not fully comprehend who and what they were. In 2000 I did my idiot-protest best by not voting at all. Gore was a dipshit and there was no sign then of either the seriousness of the WoT nor that Bush would step up to the plate and deliver. I saw nothing to engage me.

But my second tour in Saudi brought out a new me. 9/11 and Bush's sudden transformation. The scales falling from my eyes about who and what we were facing. A full 90°+ change of direction.

I echo your thoughts and thanks regards Fred and RB. We are incredibly lucky he was around so long ago and created such an awesome forum.

We're definitely on the same page in the "all the marbles" war, bro. We've all helped each other get there. I owe you the same level of thanks because you challenged the hell out of all the "pat" and easy answers - just as valuable as any other contribution by anyone here. We got here the hard way - by challenging our own suppositions, prejudices, and lazy un-intellectual views. Those are infinitely harder than going with the flow and explaining away those inconvenient bits when our flawed world-view causes cognitive dissonance. So back at ya, bro. I owe you the same.

Best Regards and Rantburg Ackbar!

Paco

Posted by .com 2006-09-11 04:05|| 2006-09-11 04:05|| Front Page Top

#4 The one thing that preserves my sanity is that I have never, not ever thought that America deserved 9-11. For all of our country's mistakes and second-best deals in fighting communism, I have always believed in Democracy and free market capitalism as the most enlightened form of civilization there is.

My experiences here at Rantburg have only served to cement these notions and I, too, give Fred Pruitt my deepest thanks. You have nothing to be humbled about, .com. even as in the past you have attacked my positions, it's the old "what doesn't kill me only ~~delays the inevitable~~ makes me stronger" routine.

I'm truly glad to see you trotting about the old stomping grounds here. I'm confident that I speak for more than just my own self in saying so. I'm particularly glad we see more eye to eye than in the past.

Someone once asked my why I'm so bloody obnoxious. I replied that "it filters out the fainthearted". It is also said that "character is a diamond that scratches every other stone". Well, that's my excuse for being so d@mn abrasive. What's yours?

Your Friend,

Chris

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-11 05:32|| 2006-09-11 05:32|| Front Page Top

#5 Jeepers! I think I'll wait for the paperback!

Posted by Bobby 2006-09-11 07:09|| 2006-09-11 07:09|| Front Page Top

#6 I have believed that all Islam need a dirt nap for some time now.
Now, I wait for our own officals to allow, if not suggest that we destroy mosques and kill muzzies.
BUT, today in America, new mosques are being built.
Gentlemen, we are so far out in front, they think we made a wrong turn. Sucks, duddn it ?

Posted by wxjames 2006-09-11 08:07|| 2006-09-11 08:07|| Front Page Top

#7 The subtitle should be "why we cannot rely on rocking horse shit".

Posted by Bright Pebbles in Blairistan 2006-09-11 10:19|| 2006-09-11 10:19|| Front Page Top

#8 The readers digest version Bobby is that Muslim aint going to go out of their way to help us against their fellow muslims. Why? Because they think they can live with the outcome either way or are too big a pussies to choose sides. In that manner they remind me of the Dhimicrats who hold "What THEY think about the U.S." more important than the survival of the U.S. God help us if the Liberal get in charge because they would run any program or op through a group like CAIR, the un, or the eu and would gvie them veto power over our security.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-09-11 10:24|| 2006-09-11 10:24|| Front Page Top

#9 "The one thing that preserves my sanity is that I have never, not ever thought that America deserved 9-11."

Zen, that's the one thing that makes you an American. We are indeed the world's 'last best hope'. Can any other nation in this world turn a undeserved critical eye so harshly on itself, time and time again, and still survive? Hell no.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-11 11:12|| 2006-09-11 11:12|| Front Page Top

#10 what makes this dicey is that there are actual moderate and/or pro American strains of Islam out there

Ahmiyadi Muslims - genuinely moderate (and considered apostates by many other muslims)

Ismaili Muslims - almost all genuinely moderate (somewhat less despised than the Ahmidadi)

Senegal Muslims - pro American, anti France

Kurdish Muslims - pro American, anti Arab

Posted by mhw 2006-09-11 11:25|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2006-09-11 11:25|| Front Page Top

#11 That's more than pro American to be truly "moderate". Needs to be pro humanity as well.

Posted by Duh! 2006-09-11 12:54|| 2006-09-11 12:54|| Front Page Top

#12 The Ahmadiyats are nearly extinct and will be. they have been branded as Apostates and to islam there is no forgiveness for apostates (since when is Allah forgiving anyways? ) but ya see the true moderates are themselves outsiders and incapable of reforming the truest form of islam. Best way to rid ourselves of islam is mass deporation of "true" muslims.

Posted by Shinto 2006-09-11 13:56|| 2006-09-11 13:56|| Front Page Top

#13 Leave the cult or leave America. Is there any other way? But wait, the armies of LLL will spring to their defense - as if they care that much regarding religion(other than i-slam, ie.) - at the very first suggestion of such an unconstitutional idea!

Posted by Duh! 2006-09-11 14:09|| 2006-09-11 14:09|| Front Page Top

#14 Zen, that's the one thing that makes you an American.

So be it. That's enough for me. I've had to sit and watch the absolutely astounding cognitive dissonance of a gay man bragging about voting for republican in 2000 because he knew how Bush would make such a shambles of things that the democrats would be a shoo-in the next time around. I asked him if he really thought that was the best possible thing on his part for advancing gay rights. He then went on to say that America deserved 9-11 for "sticking our nose where it didn't belong!" I replied how bringing several Middle East countries out of the stone-age by developing their petrochemical industries could hardly qualify us as nosy busybodies. He remained very quiet when I went on to ask him how his political strategy had worked in the 2004 elections.

He then refused to listen to my arguments about the dangers of Islam because I had not read the Koran and another liberal there who had was insisting that Islam was the Religion of Peace [spit]. He, along with a serving member of the army who was present and agreed with him, finally summed up his diatribe with how whenever traveling abroad, he poses as a Canadian so he won't have to take flack about being American.

I asked him point blank if he was ashamed to be American and they both admitted as such. I could only shake my head and observe aloud how their self-loathing was simply revolting.

The slightly happy ending to this story is that on another occasion I managed, only after two solid hours of carefully structured reasoning and with two other unbiased people moderating the discussion, to finally convince this gay liberal that all he could look forward to, should America fall to Islam, was a swift and brutal death by stoning for his homosexual practices. This is the sort of insanity that I have had to fight around me and somehow retain my love of country and pride in being American.

Fortunately, through the incredible sacrifices of untold numbers of our soldiers and other individuals striving to preserve our nation, the task is a lot easier than many might think. I love the United States and cannot imagine living anywhere else on earth. Americas role as sole remaining superpower is a direct and unequivocal result of its constitutional law and elected representation. The foresight of this countrys founding fathers was nothing short of incredible. That they were able to assemble such an enduring and all-encompassing document as our constitution amazes me every time I think about it. It has led me to believe that democracy and elected government are fundamental human rights that must be installed around the world.

We are indeed the world's 'last best hope'. Can any other nation in this world turn a undeserved critical eye so harshly on itself, time and time again, and still survive? Hell no.

Word, mcsegeek1. Americas capacity for self-criticism is unrivaled, almost to the point of being crippling at times, but light years beyond that of any other country. Our generosity to friend and foe alike is something that so many other nations manage to ignore, yet they will be first in line at our door when disaster strikes. Somehow, Americans must finally realize that only through national unity and pride in our country can we have any hope of surviving. I will close with an excerpt from Abraham Lincolns address before the Young Mens Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois on January 27^th of 1838.

This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform.

How then shall we perform it? At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-11 14:36|| 2006-09-11 14:36|| Front Page Top

#15 Small NB : this is an interesting reading, and so are the comments, but the writer is actually the excellent Fjordman; Baron Bodissey is but one of the editor of Gates of Vienna who puts his writings online, unless I'm severely mistaken.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-11 18:04|| 2006-09-11 18:04|| Front Page Top

#16 Love the fjordman.
And Zen and Mcsgeek

"on another occasion I managed, only after two solid hours of carefully structured reasoning "

It's that two hours of structured reasoning that I can't seem to do.

Posted by J. D. Lux 2006-09-11 20:52|| 2006-09-11 20:52|| Front Page Top

#17 anonymous5089, thank you for clarifying about the author, Fjordman. Credit given where credit is due. And Fjordman deserves a round of vigorous applause for issuing such a well-written piece just before this somber anniversary.

Before closing I wanted to address mhw's concerns in post #10 about the listed Musilim minorities. We are in a battle for our very lives. The combined total of cited Muslim sects probably does not exceed even one or two million people. Please feel to correct me if I'm wrong. Such numbers represent about 0.10% of this world's Muslim population.

Islam is well over one billion people and the vast majority of them have tacitly or openly committed themselves to the destruction of the West. I refuse to accept this. While I hope that those few peaceful Muslims can be left out of our sights as we fight this war, it cannot be my primary concern. We are confronted with 25% of this world's population wanting to make their religion 100% of the world's faith.

We will soon be faced with the tipping point. This will come when the trouble of living with Islam outweighs the trouble of simply exterminating it for once and all. I have now reached that tipping point and need no further atrocities to convince me.

Thank you, everyone, for dropping in on this thread. I'll be printing out Fjordman's piece and distributing it to some more of the people I know. Last and not least, thank you to Rantburg and Fred Pruitt for this opportunity to share such important tools in the fight against Islam.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-11 21:41|| 2006-09-11 21:41|| Front Page Top

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