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2004-09-11 Home Front: Politix
Dr. Goebbels Liberal Watchdog group defends CBS docs
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Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-11 2:04:23 AM|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Ok, Rantburgundians, we have a great opportunity. I have an ancient Remington typewriter, a 60s vintage ribbon, and I think I can find some similarly ancient typing paper. Armed with this and a scan of Lee Harvey Oswald's signature, we can quickly produce compelling evidence that Dan Rather was the gunman on the Grassy Knoll. It would be better in every respect than SeeBS's Bush doc. The only difference: it is not supported by the authority of big media.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-11 2:20:54 AM||   2004-09-11 2:20:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The documents are completely, obviously, fake to anyone who has any understanding of basic reality. It's a testiment to the utter dementia of the LLL that they even try to defend such a transparent fraud.
Posted by Scooter McGruder 2004-09-11 6:02:18 AM||   2004-09-11 6:02:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 They live in a parallel reality. How about giving them some area to thrive and deport them there en masse. Titan? Europa! That would be to their taste. They can hallucinate there, "From Each According to Their Ability and to Each According to Their Needs."

Except the more equal ones, naturally.
Posted by Zarathustra  2004-09-11 6:17:04 AM||   2004-09-11 6:17:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 When you base all your defense on the fact you hate G.W.B. you come up with crack pot crap like FAIR does. I suggest they lay off the wheat mold. CBSs' "expert" is a slime ball and isnt qualifed to even comment on the type face let alone any other part of the 'documents" except the signature. I am waiting for the DNC and moveon.org to self imolate when this forgery comes back to bite them in the ass.
Posted by Trolling for Allan 2004-09-11 6:23:01 AM||   2004-09-11 6:23:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 TfA, doubt that, they would just recite in chorus: "We are not sinking, we are not sinking", to the last second. BDS and denialitis may be, sad to admit, incurable.
Posted by Zarathustra  2004-09-11 6:29:25 AM||   2004-09-11 6:29:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Either this guy, and Rather, and all the other defenders of the docs are completely clueless, or they are trying to bluff their way past the crisis. Either "knaves or fools" as the old saying goes.
Posted by V is for Victory 2004-09-11 7:56:29 AM||   2004-09-11 7:56:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 I watched CBS news last evening and saw Dan Rather's piece attempting to clear the air on the possible forgeries. What a load of journalistic dishonesty that was. No analysis of the document showing if it was/wasn't possible to create such a doc in 1973 (kerning, fonts, point sizing, variable proportional spacing (vs. 1X, 2X, 3X spacing of a highend Selectric).

There was no mention of the 100% correlation of an MS Word document to the forgeries. Instead he interviewed a hand writing expert who said the docs are real w/o mentioning any methodology. Rather did mention the superscript, small font "th" and said it was in other legitimate docs, then cut away to a doc that DID NOT have the superscript, just a regular "111th". There was no mention that the docs do not match timelines (Staudt was retired). There was no mention of Killian's family member disputing the Killian wrote the docs. No mention of Killian's commander, Retired Maj. General Hodges, stating CBS MISLEAD HIM in stating the docs were HANDWRITTEN by Killian, and now thinks the docs are a fraud. No mention of Barne's daughter stating her father told her several weeks ago he was going to LIE about GWB's Guard service.

Rather's jist of it: All is in order. If CBS discovers anything, we will let you know. Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes.

After watching Rather's gross whitewash, I actually felt DIRTY.
Posted by RR 2004-09-11 8:06:00 AM||   2004-09-11 8:06:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Above post by RR is me, ed.
Posted by ed 2004-09-11 8:06:59 AM||   2004-09-11 8:06:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 I think I saw your memo noting that Dan Rather was on the glassy knoll, right, Lee Harvey?
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-11 9:37:05 AM||   2004-09-11 9:37:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 The 'expert' Rather used was a hand-writing guy who was also an expert in "Paleography"....... or cave-wall paintings. Good expert choice considering we are dealing with fonts.
Posted by Brett_the_Quarkian 2004-09-11 9:59:19 AM||   2004-09-11 9:59:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 The Rather CBS Evening News piece is here: http://www.bushlies2.us/bltv/bltv_chan1.html

Killian signature scans are here: http://www.aboutpolitics.net/images/killian.jpg
Notice all the verified documents use fixed space fonts, like a typewriter, to type his name and rank. The disputed docs use proportional fonts, like MS Word.
Posted by ed 2004-09-11 10:06:23 AM||   2004-09-11 10:06:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Yes, it's true, Frank, Rather was positioned just behind that funny-looking wall on the knoll and he got off the famous head-shot. Then he humped over to the CBS van to try to grab the Pulitzer Prize but that eluded him. You may use this message as evidence, it's as good as what they have on Bush.
Posted by Lee Harvey Oswald 2004-09-11 10:46:08 AM||   2004-09-11 10:46:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Lee Harvey, and didn't Bob Schieffer, now of CBS, infamously drive your mom to Dallas? Ahhhh the CBS conspiracy becomes clear!
Posted by Frank G  2004-09-11 10:51:23 AM||   2004-09-11 10:51:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Wow LHO! They have broadband in hell? But only AOL right?

Let this be a lesson to all the kids out there - there is broadband in hell but its all AOL....
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-11 11:18:04 AM||   2004-09-11 11:18:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 CF, most of us here were charter members of AOL and the boss was reportedly an early investor. There is a whole new wing being built here for AOL developers and techies when they start to arrive.
Posted by Lee Harvey Oswald 2004-09-11 11:35:23 AM||   2004-09-11 11:35:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Yo, Lee, what'd you think of the movie JFK? Who taught Costner that shitheel southern accent?
Posted by Matt 2004-09-11 11:51:17 AM||   2004-09-11 11:51:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 I know that FAIR leans left and they sometimes drink the koolaid too quickly; However, I have seen time on the site where they bash all equally. That being said I think that they are WAY off base withthe memos. Not only is the coomposition suspect, the content is full of questions. The fact that NOBODY that served in the TANG was questioned about the content is really strange. Trust me, if Lt Bush was a pain, the ENTIRE Squadron would know it. They couldn't find one Officer to confirm that Lt Bush was a slackered? Also the the Col mentioned in one of the memos was retired a full year before the memo was written. And why would a Commander order an Officer to take a physical 3 months early? If it were a Commander directed drug test he would not have called it a pysical. Also when you get a Commander directed (as I have) they Commander has someone accompany you DIRECTLY to the lab. There is no waiting period.
Posted by Cyber Sarge  2004-09-11 1:16:54 PM||   2004-09-11 1:16:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 FAIR a watchdog group?

A little red watchdog with a bushy tail and chicken feathers on its whiskers, perhaps.
Posted by jackal  2004-09-11 7:25:43 PM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2004-09-11 7:25:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 

Jim Naureckas
"Those documents LOOK pretty authentic to me!"

Posted by BigEd 2004-09-11 7:56:40 PM||   2004-09-11 7:56:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 #10 The 'expert' Rather used was a hand-writing guy who was also an expert in "Paleography"....... or cave-wall paintings.

Um, actually paleography is the study of ancient handwriting and related matters. Just for what it's worth. And, as a paleographer myself, I think the signatures on the two Killian documents that everyone is talking about are quite different--not that my expertise is worth all that much here.

CBS's credibility is toast. And the media have become the story themselves during this election. Whoda thunk it?
Posted by MW 2004-09-11 10:31:49 PM||   2004-09-11 10:31:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 The documents are fake. We know it, Rather knows it. McCauliffe knows it. So why?

Kerry is in meltdown. His internal polling probably sees exactly what Time is seeing. His base is fading. The down ballot is is jeopardy.
His campaign is out of control and everybody nobody is in charge. Kerry can't even talk to the press for fear of somebody saying Merry Christmas?

This dirty trick has been kicking around the lower staff for a few weeks. Campaign is desperate to get something out there to put GW on defence, anything to try and fire up the ABB base. So somebody waves a couple of photocopies in front of a 60Min staffer and whispers "smoking gun".....

As Rather himself is saying, it's not important whether these particular memos are authentic, they just add to the story. Bush was AWOL. Even Howard Stern believes that.

And you see why MM is so popular in DNC circles. Wonder if he can type?
Posted by john  2004-09-11 10:48:10 PM||   2004-09-11 10:48:10 PM|| Front Page Top

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