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2023-09-05 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
NY Times Wakes Up to Corruption in Ukraine as Officials Admit Military Contract Money ‘Vanished'
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Posted by Skidmark 2023-09-05 09:32|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ]  Top

#1 ...This is turning into a no-win - and now I have to wonder if the inability of the counteroffensive to make the gains we thought they would make is because money, ammo, and gear got siphoned off. Don't forget for a moment that the terminal RVN and Afghan governments went to face the final battles for their nations only to find that their battalions were manned by thousands of 'ghost soldiers' - men who didn't exist except on paper, and their commanders collected their pay.

The Vietnamese did it, the Afghans did it, and it's starting to become clear that the Ukranians simply can't get it under control to even the vague appearance of propriety that we need to keep selling this. The only thing that is going to even remotely get this sorted out is some guys up against the portable brick wall and a bunch of Swiss and Cayman Island bank accounts being confiscated.

Mike
Posted by MikeKozlowski 2023-09-05 12:21||   2023-09-05 12:21|| Front Page Top

#2 Yeah, and the GOPe has tards like Grahamnasty and Eyepatch McCain screeching to send moar...
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-09-05 12:27||   2023-09-05 12:27|| Front Page Top

#3 When you lost the NYT, what's left?
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-05 12:54||   2023-09-05 12:54|| Front Page Top

#4 Don't worry, the NYT has a magic spell to fix it the way they want. The magic words are Halliburton and Blackwater.
(Wait, whatda mean they don't work here?)
Posted by ed in texas 2023-09-05 13:00||   2023-09-05 13:00|| Front Page Top

#5 The area Ukraining troops were trying to traverse was mined up the whazoo. The US demonstrated the ability to take the offensive against that type of barrier in Desert Storm, but Ukraine didn’t have the training, equipment or leadership to pull off that type of operation. Surely money was syphoned off, but it probably would not have made a decisive difference. They had a bad Milley endorsed plan executed poorly. The corruption was just stealing hubcaps off a demolition derby car.
Posted by Super Hose 2023-09-05 13:28||   2023-09-05 13:28|| Front Page Top

#6 The New York Times: "Yesterday's news...eventually."
Posted by Tom 2023-09-05 15:24||   2023-09-05 15:24|| Front Page Top

#7 But how much did the Big Guy(s) get?
Posted by Procopius2k 2023-09-05 16:06||   2023-09-05 16:06|| Front Page Top

#8 But how much did the Big Guy(s) get?

Based on the information we have so far, my guess would be ten percent.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-09-05 17:26||   2023-09-05 17:26|| Front Page Top

#9 Doesn't matter where the money went. It's gone, we'll never get it back and we'll never get a full accounting. We all knew there would be corruption because Joe Biden is involved. The whole stupid bloody mess is corrupt otherwise it would have never happened. The hell of it is that the money for it was taken out of our pockets...well, that's apart from all the people who have died.

My guess would also be that the Big Guys' cut was factored into the cost of the aid before it was even sent. Russians were unprepared at the outset of this thing but at some point they finally realized they would have to actually fight. Biden was not prepared for that and so the counter offensive has failed. Biden and his generals have done nothing but miscalculate ever since he took office.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-09-05 17:50||   2023-09-05 17:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Biden and his generals have done nothing but miscalculate ever since he took office.

Perhaps excessively true, however, Putin thought this would be a two week walkover Special Military Operation™. His Military Genius is completely proven
Posted by Frank G 2023-09-05 18:49||   2023-09-05 18:49|| Front Page Top

#11 ^ Everyone is comfortable with the "slowly at first" part. It's tat "then all at once" phase that catches em by surprise.

Fall of Rome
Fall of the Iron Curtain
Fall of Saigon
Fall of Kabul

You think the neocons are nuts now? How do you think they will be should the Fall of Kyiv come to pass?
Posted by M. Murcek  2023-09-05 19:03||   2023-09-05 19:03|| Front Page Top

#12 Corrupt and Communist defeats Corrupt and "Neo-Nazi"?

They'll deal with it
Posted by Frank G 2023-09-05 19:08||   2023-09-05 19:08|| Front Page Top

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