Article

2016-09-03 -Land of the Free

You will hand your guns over when told to

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by badanov 2016-09-03 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 I suppose Mr Grren is Badanov....

Readers, do understand, the Feds and locals can pull records of all your gun purchases and get a legal search warrant for said weapons in a matter of hours.
Your weapons are not safe from law enforcement.
That said. Don't store unregistered weapons with registered.

Posted by jvalentour 2016-09-03 01:22|| 2016-09-03 01:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Why do you think they’ve let you have guns for this long? Because those guns have given you a false sense of security

Try breaking down my door or pulling me out of my F-150 and you'll meet my....'false security.' Have a nice day.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-09-03 01:34|| 2016-09-03 01:34|| Front Page Top

#3 HA HA!

Posted by newc 2016-09-03 02:27|| 2016-09-03 02:27|| Front Page Top

#4 IMO, what they get away with in schools is a lot more, long-term, dangerous than gun confiscation. Because, “There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men.”.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-09-03 06:21|| 2016-09-03 06:21|| Front Page Top

#5 If anyone has doubts about the damage one man can do, they should read: Jack Hinson's One-Man War, A Civil War Sniper, Hardcover – January 27, 2009 by Tom McKenney (Author). Granted, the book is about the Civil War but the tactics that were used probably would apply today. The rifle was made for Hinson by a Southern gunsmith and was state-of-the art for the time--it would not have been on the books today. Hinson racked up over 100 kills of blue coats from moving sniping positions. He was never caught as many of the locals helped him (as aspect of guerilla warfare). He was dishing out retribution because his two sons were beheaded by Yankees and their heads mounted on Hinson's gateposts as a message.

I suspect there are many people left and right who have guns in this country. I read the other day that about 44% of the households in this country have firearms in their homes. That is a large amount of guns. Estimates of about 300M guns exist in this country. I doubt the government has anywhere near that many firearms for their LOE branches of government. Why does this author think that everyone who works in law enforcement in the government would go along with the government? Consider also local law enforcement such as the sheriffs. These are elected officials by the people. They would be less likely to support gun confiscation schemes by the federal government.

Lastly, I don't think anyone knows how many "off-the-books" guns exist but I'd bet there are plenty. Not everyone exists on, likes, or cares about Facebook or other social media. Not everyone spills their guts about every they have or do on FB--in fact they might even think it sucks as I do.

We have a history and a culture of firearms. We also have a history and culture of revolution. Our forefathers today would have been considered then about the same way they would today--as criminals and lawbreakers. Our forefathers risked everything for a free country. We don't need another King George telling us what to do from Washington today.

Posted by JohnQC 2016-09-03 09:52|| 2016-09-03 09:52|| Front Page Top

#6 I just finished McKenney's book earlier this summer. A riveting and fantastic saga of the Civil War in Kentucky and the area we now know as the Land Between the Lakes.

I'm currently finishing Ian Johnson's 'A Mosque in Munich.' Another fantastic book that [among other things] explains the origins of the Muslim Brotherhood, our own Kabuki dance with so-called 'Muslim moderates,' and precisely how the dance began.

I believe someone here in the Burg recommended both.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-09-03 10:06|| 2016-09-03 10:06|| Front Page Top

#7 Gee, with an entire Army in Iraq it wasn't till the locals decided to cooperate in the Anbar Awakening that the momentum swung around. Even before and after our forces retired to base camps. Notice how Chicago has the toughest gun laws and one of the largest gun deaths rate. Notice how on edge cops are now with just a few shootings.

Now all those grabbers have to go home at sometime. Their families are there as well. Until they erect base camps for them and their families, they're not going to be out of harms way. They know it. They'll be a tough team breaking down someone's door. Not quite as much walking from their front door alone to their car.

Posted by Procopius2k 2016-09-03 11:01|| 2016-09-03 11:01|| Front Page Top

#8 The grabbers do not exist...and the keyboard intelectual warrior that desires the grabbing is a coward and can only imagine grabbing scenarios.

Never gonna happen.

Posted by Tennessee 2016-09-03 12:03|| 2016-09-03 12:03|| Front Page Top

#9 This appears to be a well thought out exercise in fantasy. I'm a boomer and we are a large group. We have had our training in war and survived that war. Now we are looking at the end of our lives and how we take care of our children and grandchildren when we pass.
I have already had my three score and ten years so I like many know I have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. What I have to look forward to is being in a hospital with tubes in every hole in my body, dying over a 2 day to 2 week period or dying defending what I know is my family and country and within a matter of minutes being killed quickly and honorably.
As far as kicking in my front door there is a simple way to assure that everyone would get at least three of the insurgents. I have passed this on to many people I trust to reveal it when and if the time comes. Right now if I make this public knowledge our soldiers would be slaughtered when they kick in doors in the middle east.
The author's estimate of the number of firearms is lacking. The latest estimates are 350 million firearms owned by 145 million people. It is also estimated those 145 million people own 17 trillion cartridges that fit those firearms. The US civilians own more small arms than the combined armies of China, India, Russia and the US. Let's assume the feral government actually picked up 99% of the firearms that would still leave 3,500,000 firearms in civilian hands. I was buying guns in the 1950's and remember those times. If you were 18 years old you could buy a long gun with only a 4473 form being filled out. The dealer kept it and did not furnish it to anyone unless asked to do so. Every dealer I knew hung onto the records for the required amount of time and then burned them. During that period the US firearms dealers sold about 80 to 100 million surplus firearms. Most of the 22 M German 98K Mausers went to the US, almost all of the Japanese long guns went to the US and a huge number of French rifles and English Enfield #1 Mark 3 rifles were also sold here. The US civilians own most of the small arms used in WW-2. There is virtually no paperwork on these weapons. Further a millions of sub machine guns and machine guns were sold as DEWAT (deactivated war trophies) which were mostly deactivated by welding a plug in the barrel. These were sold with no paperwork at all because they were not guns anymore. Most of the owners just simply bought a new surplus barrel and installed it. Those who kick in doors may be facing some old geeser with a functioning MG-42 at point blank range.
Lastly if our (already insolvent) government went after gun owners the country would have to be locked down for at least a month. The cost of the country locked down for a month or more would cause the economy and the government to collapse. Further since we are entitled to a trial by jury (just think how many jurors this would take) and must be furnished with an attorney; the incredibly massive amount of cases would preclude a speedy trial and 95% of the cases would have to be dismissed. Law enforcement will not kick in doors in their own communities, everyone in the military has taken an oath to defend the constitution, foreign soldiers would stand out like sore thumbs and be shot on sight and lastly the Korean War, Vietnam War and all the wars in the middle east have trained 21 million veterans who have already fought for their country.
If anyone in government actually believes it is possible to pick-up the firearms in the US by force they are smoking some powerful drugs.

Posted by Dopey Phuger3886 2016-09-03 16:29|| 2016-09-03 16:29|| Front Page Top

#10 I haven't seen so much snot run out of an asshole since I ate that spicy Mexican food with a head cold.

I suppose our game master would be a bit different if the NSA were tracking anal beads or 50 Shades of Gray - or whatever they want - especially after running this sloppy dungeon.

Posted by swksvolFF 2016-09-03 17:52|| 2016-09-03 17:52|| Front Page Top

#11 That is quite comforting, Dopey Phuger3886. Thank you.

Posted by trailing wife 2016-09-03 21:07|| 2016-09-03 21:07|| Front Page Top

#12 Just to be clear, not talking about you DP3886, agree with a lot you said.

Posted by swksvolFF 2016-09-03 21:16|| 2016-09-03 21:16|| Front Page Top

#13 "You will hand your guns over when told to"

You will FOAD long before that, idiot.

Posted by Barbara 2016-09-03 21:52|| 2016-09-03 21:52|| Front Page Top

23:29 rjschwarz
22:17 Rambler in Virginia
22:16 magpie
21:52 Barbara
21:26 Canuckistan sniper
21:25 Canuckistan sniper
21:25 Canuckistan sniper
21:16 swksvolFF
21:09 trailing wife
21:07 trailing wife
21:07 swksvolFF
20:48 Blossom Unains5562
20:29 Pliny Glons2836
19:45 gorb
19:43 gorb
19:36 swksvolFF
19:32 swksvolFF
19:24 3dc
19:18 JohnQC
19:17 JohnQC
19:14 Frank G
19:13 Frank G
19:10 Frank G
19:08 Frank G