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2004-08-24 Europe
Fourth Infantry Liberates Paris
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Posted by Chuck Simmins 2004-08-24 1:30:00 PM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Chuck- IIRC American troops were stopped/diverted in order for LeClerc to liberate Paris (got to save the gallic honor, lol).
Posted by Spot  2004-08-24 1:38:22 PM||   2004-08-24 1:38:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Sorry, Spot. Not so. Urban Legend. LeClerc got hung up and actually entered Paris with the American column, having lost contact with the main body of French forces!

Associated Press

Army War College Review
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2004-08-24 2:19:24 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2004-08-24 2:19:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Chuck--Thanks for those great links! Those accounts from Don Whitehead at the AP link are fantastic. Great stuff!
Posted by Dar  2004-08-24 2:32:20 PM||   2004-08-24 2:32:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 My bad Chuck (but I still don't have anything good to say about the frogs).
Posted by Spot  2004-08-24 2:42:27 PM||   2004-08-24 2:42:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Spot, neither do I, after the Battle of Tours anyway. Dad always looked like he'd vomit whenever the subject of our gallant allies was brought up. He had zero use for any French troops in WW II. BTW, this is what he was doing at the time:
While with the 7th Armored the Group Headquarters operated in two echelons in different columns. On the 28th the echelon referred to as "Rear" became separated from the column it was following and advanced along a road that had not been cleared by the armor. In the village of Regault a German tank appeared which attacked this echelon of the Group Headquarters. The vehicles were quickly dispersed, a fifty caliber machine gun set up on a ground mount, a Bazooka team began firing, and a gun of the 558th was called on to go into position adjusted by a cub. The tank was driven off but it had take its toll. One man was killed, the battery commander, Captain Petty, and two men seriously wounded, and several other men injured slightly.
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2004-08-24 2:51:06 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2004-08-24 2:51:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Spot--Read that AWCR link from Chuck. Patton and Bradley had some real problems with LeClerc and weren't all that fond of him either. I can't believe they didn't have LeClerc removed for insubordination (especially after the Argentan incident), but the s.o.b. was probably protected by DeGaulle and Eisenhower for political purposes. Excerpt:
With the French on the left and an American armored division, the 5th, on the right, the XV Corps pushed north toward Argentan to close what became known as the Argentan-Falaise pocket, the maneuver to surround the Germans in Normandy. Ahead lay an upland forest, difficult terrain, and Haislip instructed his armored divisions to go around it, the French on the left, the Americans on the right. In a defiant or thoughtless, yet inexcusable, gesture of disobedience--perhaps because Leclerc had never before commanded a division in combat--Leclerc disregarded Haislip's order. He sent his elements around the left side, through the forest, and around the right. The latter troops preempted a major road reserved for the Americans and blocked their movement to Argentan, which was undefended. During the six hours it took Leclerc's men to complete the maneuver, the remnants of three panzer divisions arrived in Argentan and assumed defensive positions. They turned back the XV Corps and kept the Americans and French out of the town.

If he hadn't been French, he'd have been relieved so fast his head woulda spun.
Posted by Dar  2004-08-24 2:52:51 PM||   2004-08-24 2:52:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Dar - the failure to close the Falaise gap was one major lost opportunity. But then several generals were protected for political reasons (such as Bernard "Slowpoke" Montgomery, architect of Market-Garden among others), while Patton was sacked for slapping a soldier.
Posted by Spot  2004-08-24 2:59:26 PM||   2004-08-24 2:59:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Unlikely. Patton was remarkable for his disinclination to shitcan subordinates. That was Bradley's thing. Patton protected Wood from retribution for far worse insubordination, until Wood pissed off too many other superiors, and off he went.

The Second French Armored Division did good work during the war. The textbook armor engagements at Dompaire and Dumas on Sept. 12 and 13th, for instance. (Sorry, I looked for online links, the only mentions I could find were all obscure wargames. Try the Green Book volume on Lorraine.)
Posted by Mitch H.  2004-08-24 3:11:09 PM|| [http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2004-08-24 3:11:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Still poking around and discovered that a mostly Spanish unit was "the first" to enter Paris. New headline: Spanish Liberate Paris!
Yahoo link
Run it through Babel Fish.
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2004-08-24 3:51:12 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2004-08-24 3:51:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Ha! Paris was liberate by 6 divisons of the French Army of the Interior!

Posted by Shipman 2004-08-24 8:01:44 PM||   2004-08-24 8:01:44 PM|| Front Page Top

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