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2012-08-26 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Ballistics shows NYPD hit 9 bystanders to down 1 Krazed Killer

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Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-08-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 Well, Nanny Mike. Might wanna put away that "only the cops should have guns" screed for awhile...

Posted by tu3031 2012-08-26 00:04|| 2012-08-26 00:04|| Front Page Top

#2 Next we'll be hearing from Mikey and his ilk that the bystanders weren't really 'shot' shot, they were just unlucky, and the body has natural defenses against such things.

Posted by Whiskey Mike 2012-08-26 03:01|| 2012-08-26 03:01|| Front Page Top

#3 Cop or civilian, does not matter who handles the weapon:

You are responsible for the final resting place of every round you fire.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2012-08-26 04:10|| 2012-08-26 04:10|| Front Page Top

#4 From what I've read many of the 9 were wounded by shrapnel from riccochets off the building and sidewalks, not that that's an excuse.

The number of rounds fired to down the guy was excessive AND the article also said that the gunman never fired at the police.

Police shooting him fine. The way they did? Not so much.

Posted by AlanC 2012-08-26 09:29|| 2012-08-26 09:29|| Front Page Top

#5 Serious lack of fundamental [weapons skill] training. Dollars to donuts, probably a lot of penciling in of range and situational training.

Posted by Procopius2k 2012-08-26 10:58|| 2012-08-26 10:58|| Front Page Top

#6 The number of rounds fired to down the guy was excessive

In a lethal force situation theres no such thing as an excessive number of rounds. Now the accuracy of said rounds(?)

Posted by DepotGuy 2012-08-26 10:58|| 2012-08-26 10:58|| Front Page Top

#7 DG, that's kind of what I meant. I'm all for making sure but I'd a thought that 4 or 5 rounds, center mass, from 8 ft. should have dropped the guy, no?

Posted by AlanC 2012-08-26 11:23|| 2012-08-26 11:23|| Front Page Top

#8 Bottom line: The shooter will no longer be a problem to anyone. The cops and bystanders survived to see their families and loved ones again. Unemployment figures dropped one digit, and there are two new positions at the bag factory.

Posted by Besoeker 2012-08-26 11:30|| 2012-08-26 11:30|| Front Page Top

#9 Well, that's the thing with a "wonder nine." Pull the trigger a bunch of times and wonder where the bullets went...

Posted by M. Murcek 2012-08-26 12:02|| 2012-08-26 12:02|| Front Page Top

#10 Well, Nanny Mike.

Were the bystanders carrying more than 16 ounces of soft drinks?

Posted by Pappy 2012-08-26 13:40|| 2012-08-26 13:40|| Front Page Top

#11 two had MSG and a third had a shaker of salt. The rest were smokers

Posted by Frank G 2012-08-26 13:56|| 2012-08-26 13:56|| Front Page Top

#12 All I know is many of the cops that I know from rural areas that actually practice with their sidearms would have stalked of in disgust at that showing by New York's "finest".

No matter civilian or cop or soldier, my trust is in the person that puts the most range time behind the weapon.

Posted by DarthVader 2012-08-26 14:38|| 2012-08-26 14:38|| Front Page Top

#13 Yes, of course, there's video.

Posted by tu3031 2012-08-26 14:47|| 2012-08-26 14:47|| Front Page Top

#14 If I am correct, video shows an officer with gun out of holster but no bead on the bad guy.

Mesquite, TX police officer, at night, came up on a car just reported stolen by a bandit who was armed.

Officer, two combat tours Iraq, one combat tour Afghanistqan, shot at many times there, ordered the occupant to freeze with gun drawn square on the bad guy as he approaches the car. Bad guy exits car in the darkness, turns to officer, pulls object out of pocket and starts to point object at officer, officer lets loose ONE round paralyzing bad guy from waist down.

Instead of thanking the cop for not panicking and emptying the clip on him like many cops do who have never been shot at he sues the city for $100K for excesive force, and wins. The officer is now back in patrol, bad guy foreheads watch out this time(?).

I believe at least 5 lawsuits against NYC for much more will be the result. It's a fallen world.

Posted by Kojo Tingle8923 2012-08-26 15:41|| 2012-08-26 15:41|| Front Page Top

#15 That video is not very flattering for the peace officers.

Posted by swksvolFF 2012-08-26 16:09|| 2012-08-26 16:09|| Front Page Top

#16 Serious lack of fundamental [weapons skill] training. Yup, I think you've got it. The mitigating element is that fact that AFAICT the shooting occurred on a crowded sidewalk. Pretty hard not to have a lot of collateral damage no matter what the training.
I was a block away from a similar shooting in my suburban type neighborhood, where 2 of my local police shot it out with a gunman standing in a house's doorway. The police were maybe 50 feet away & emptied both their clips. The gunman/double murderer survived.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-08-26 17:10|| 2012-08-26 17:10|| Front Page Top

#17 They went to deer hunting school with the FBI!

Posted by Slolugum Gray3209 2012-08-26 18:00|| 2012-08-26 18:00|| Front Page Top

#18 Sorry civilians - but i am NOT giving you purple hearts just because you got hit by bits of cement chips. You're going to have to do better than that. Next time duck and take cover!

Posted by Raider 2012-08-26 19:18|| 2012-08-26 19:18|| Front Page Top

#19 Don't you mean Deer in the Headlights School?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-08-26 19:40|| 2012-08-26 19:40|| Front Page Top

#20 Pardon me officer, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?
practice, practice, practice

Posted by Procopius2k 2012-08-26 20:54|| 2012-08-26 20:54|| Front Page Top

#21 maybe 50 feet away & emptied both their clips.
50 feet is quite a long distance for pistol shots.

I was wondering if New York has the law that whatever damage or injury is committed during the commission of a felony, the onus is on the perp, regardless of whomever actually caused it. So I guess the dead man will have that on his permanent record.

Posted by AlmostAnonymous5839 2012-08-26 20:55|| 2012-08-26 20:55|| Front Page Top

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