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2004-08-24 Home Front: Politix
Belmont Club: "Both Sides Now."
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Posted by Mike 2004-08-24 8:09:56 AM|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I wonder what it would take for the Democratic Party to actually be convinced that it needed to transform itself into a war party. The fundamental ambiguity of the Dem Party over Iraq points to a core question about the "WoT" that is being avoided -- Does this war require us to deny sanctuary to the terrorists, and thereby require us to expand the war to a war against a number of countries, of which Iraq was only the first? Or will we allow the sanctuaries to continue to operate, as we did in Vietnam with Cambodia?
Posted by virginian 2004-08-24 10:38:35 AM||   2004-08-24 10:38:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I wonder what it would take for the Democratic Party to actually be convinced that it needed to transform itself into a war party.

I suspect Bush's re-election would do it. However, I'm not sure they would be focused on the war on Islamic fascism or on a war agaist Republicans.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-08-24 10:44:20 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-08-24 10:44:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I think Wretchard is wrong in this case.

I thought the whole point of the Winter Soldier testimony back in the 70's was to couch surrendering South Vietnam to the communists in the language of military valour.

(But notice how they only have time for heroic veterans who toe their party line on Vietnam. Which I've been convinced was wrong for a long time, and the farther we get into the Iraqi iteration of the Vietnam war, I only become more and more certain it's wrong).

This subject in itself probably deserves a long essay.
Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-08-24 11:35:06 AM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]  2004-08-24 11:35:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Â I wonder what it would take for the Democratic Party to actually be convinced that it needed to transform itself

The Democratic Party will not be convinced that it needs to transform itself. The boomers who now control it will be anti-war till they die.

But then a new generation of Democrats, who are fed up with being the minority party, will come to power facing new issues with new solutions that the ossified Republicans cannot stir themselves from their corruption to recognize much less address. And the miracle of representative government will repeat itself.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-08-24 11:45:10 AM||   2004-08-24 11:45:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Mrs. Davis - well said!!
Posted by anon 2004-08-24 12:40:15 PM||   2004-08-24 12:40:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 But then a new generation of Democrats..., will come to power facing new issues with new solutions that the ossified Republicans cannot stir themselves ...to ..address.

I completely agree with you on this!
Posted by B 2004-08-24 12:42:24 PM||   2004-08-24 12:42:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 "They must nominate a Peace Democrat on a war platform, or a War Democrat on a peace platform, and I personally can't say I care much which they do."

-- Abraham Lincoln
Posted by glenn  2004-08-24 2:31:28 PM||   2004-08-24 2:31:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Great quote, glenn - thanks!

Sigh. The wrong generation is dying off. We're losing the WWII vets. I wish it was my Vietnam generation in their stead. They should stay and educate the coming generations. Mine is infested with vile vermin - and needs eradication. I volunteer to eat Drano - right after Skeery does - and it will be the first honorable thing HE'S done in 40 yrs.
Posted by .com 2004-08-24 2:48:01 PM||   2004-08-24 2:48:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 I was along for the ride until I got to this part:
[...]
But the Democratic Party decided to package this man, who was decent on his own terms,...

I don't think Kerry is a decent man on any one's terms, not even his own.
I like Wretchard very, very much but I'm not buying this.

And if you look at the history of the Dimocrat Party in America, it's a trail of tears.
Maybe, like the Whigs before them, they are a party who deserves to fade into obscurity with their bankrupt ideas, lies and plain old vanilla corruption.
While the GOP doesn't hold with "living" constitutions, our values are viable and if you look over our 225+ year history it's Presidents like Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon (!), Reagan and Bush #41 and #43 that stand as our nation's real leaders and statesmen.
If it weren't for Truman--who became President by accident--the Dims would have no one (and I think FDR was a Socialist fraud, however personally charming, so don't bring him up!)
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-08-24 3:02:54 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-08-24 3:02:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Jenn - agree, he's just an empty suit. His record in the Senate is a big Zero. His conduct in war was, at best, self-serving. His conduct after the war was shameful.

Maybe Wretcherd didn't want partisan emotions to interfere with his point.

.com - I don't think the boomers are any more or less vile than any other group. The difference was that the rise of TV and media allowed the rise of undeserving snot-nosed celebs, like Jane Fonda, and John Kerry, Jessie Jackson, to be presented as credible voices. With their bully pulpit of TV/mass media - they told the women of the WWII generation that they were unhappy, racist bigots and the men that they were cheating, lying, fools for not running off with the closest young thing they could find. The old folks had no bully pulpit to fight back except through their churches or Synagogues. So the left set about to destroy the credibility of the those by a complete and total blackout of any news about religion and they headlined every thing that was bad.

They foisted the socialist agenda upon us and allowed no alternative voices of reason to be heard. Just like with the Kerry in Cambodia story - there was a complete and total black out of any and all news that painted the values of the old generation in a favorable light.

I could go on. I'll stop the rant here. But it's not that there weren't good people in our generation, it's just that they were denied good press.

rant over.
Posted by B 2004-08-24 3:28:51 PM||   2004-08-24 3:28:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Jenn,

He is decent on his own terms. It's just that his trems are...well, different than normal folk.
Posted by Tobacconist  2004-08-24 4:11:20 PM||   2004-08-24 4:11:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I've followed this assclown for 20 years - John Kerry is as fake as Pam Anderson's breasts.
Posted by Raj 2004-08-24 5:09:12 PM||   2004-08-24 5:09:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Hey, let's not get down on Pam Anderson's breasts.
Posted by Sgt. D.T.  2004-08-24 5:57:38 PM||   2004-08-24 5:57:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 
"Hey, let's not get down on Pam Anderson's breasts."

Hey! I'd love to get down on...er...uh...never mind. I have to go now.

CiT
Posted by CiT 2004-08-24 6:06:01 PM||   2004-08-24 6:06:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 are you calling Kerry a boob?

hokay
Posted by Frank G  2004-08-24 6:35:46 PM||   2004-08-24 6:35:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 .com, the previous generation lived through the depression and WWII. These experiences lead to a different set of expectations about life...what they should be responsible for, what government should be responsible for, what it took to satisfy someone, what values were really important, etc. They were tested. Most of us born since that time, other than those who have served our country, have not been.

B hits it on the head when he speak about the additional force introduced post WWII...mainstream media, esp. TV. Think about the lifestyle and values that have been presented/pushed upon us for the last 60 years. Not all at once, of course, but slowly, incrementally over time. Our society today is highly consumerist, dictated, in part, by the state (my mom did not travel with all the baby safety crap I have to carry around) and are told again and again to respond only to our base instincts and forget about the values upon which our society is based. It makes me feel like the commies plan to take over the media and use it as the vehicle to undermine our society worked. I need a Michael Savage fix!
Posted by remote man 2004-08-24 6:41:01 PM||   2004-08-24 6:41:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 LOL, remote man! Me, too and he's got the guest host on tonight...D*mnit!
Savage really nailed it with his concept of the "Red diaper doper babies!"
Posted by GreatestJeneration  2004-08-24 6:47:45 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-08-24 6:47:45 PM|| Front Page Top

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