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2006-08-20 Terror Networks

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Posted by ryuge 2006-08-20 08:51|| || Front Page|| [11125 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The longer this war goes on the worst it gets for muzzies and if a big one hits, people will start talking genocide, it can get that bad.

Posted by djohn66 2006-08-20 10:41|| 2006-08-20 10:41|| Front Page Top

#2 Ralph Peters illustrates the folly of declaring defeat by remote control. Relying on CNN, he knows nothing about the extent of destruction of Hizbollah infrastructure in south Lebanon. Israel achieved every objective, except destroying all the missile launchers. And how realistic was that, given the ease in hiding these?

A couple of weeks ago, Condi Rice talked about a US-Sunni Arab challenge to Shiite power. It was odd, because the US is close to Iraqi Shiites. Bush would be well aware that last week, Iran launched joint attacks with Turkey on Kurd frontier cities.

Unless the US destroys Shiite power, it will retain only Israel as a Middle East ally. Why would Bush proclaim "pre-emption" as central to US military doctrine, while allowing a Homeland threat to develop? White House conduct is incomprehensible unless one infers that the "hour of our chosing" that GWB noted in his National Cathedral Speech in 2001, is near. September could either be one of the best months in US history; or worst. The choice is that of the President.

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-08-20 10:43|| 2006-08-20 10:43|| Front Page Top

#3 while allowing a Homeland threat to develop?

Donk speak! Blaming Bush is Donk Speak! If you are a westerner, the term "mideast ally" is an oxymoron, something akin to French pal or Russian integrity.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-20 10:56|| 2006-08-20 10:56|| Front Page Top

#4 Peters must be two people, because he can be brilliant, and then again...an idiot.

A postmodern terrorist army - Hezbollah's - just achieved the first terrorist defeat of a powerful state on a conventional battlefield.

the only victory Hezb can claim is survival and some political gains. Look at the infrastructure of So. Lebanon and tell me that's victory. Asshat

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-08-20 11:43|| 2006-08-20 11:43|| Front Page Top

#5 Frank... I could be wrong, but what I believe Peters is saying is Israel's "misjudgement" and the IDF withdrawl was the "defeat." They were clear winners on the battlefield. If the bully goes down, you must keep him down. Failing to do so only angers and emboldens him.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-20 11:51|| 2006-08-20 11:51|| Front Page Top

#6 My take on what he is saying is that because the west is trying to give muzzies every chance in the world to become civilized and everytime they throw it back in our face that the west is beginning to get tired of it and their excuses.

Posted by djohn66 2006-08-20 12:00|| 2006-08-20 12:00|| Front Page Top

#7 I agree John, that too.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-20 12:02|| 2006-08-20 12:02|| Front Page Top

#8 Hisb'allah's, like the Tet offensive, was a physical mauling but a political victory. Unfortunately it is the type of victory that matters to the chattering classes.

Posted by Fordesque 2006-08-20 12:22|| 2006-08-20 12:22|| Front Page Top

#9 Right on the money djohn66. The Islamic world is myopic, preferring to see everything in terms of victimhood, blame culture and some perceived injustice (however long ago). Even when Muslims are brought up in the West, there seems to be something in Islam that still brings this out - witness the pathetic, veiled threat from our Muslim MPs and 'community leaders' about further attacks if Britain doesn't address 'root causes' and change its foreign policy. If it's the case that even when Muslims are brought up in the West, they revert to the crap we hear from the Middle East, then Islam itself is in serious trouble.

Everything that's been done by the West since 9/11 has given the Islamic world more time to sort themselves out. That they haven't done so (or even attempted to really) speaks volumes.

Ralph Peters says some weird things at times, but for my money he's right on the ball this time. Time is running out, and not enough people in the Islamic world realise it enough to do something about it (or in the case of the poison dwarf Ahmadinejad, they're actively talking up Armageddon).

It's T-2, and I'm getting a bit edgy, but I'm reminded of GWB's words "it will end at a time and place of our choosing". Hope he's as good a poker player as people think he is...

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-20 12:31|| 2006-08-20 12:31|| Front Page Top

#10 I can't resist posting this latest "they hate us; they hate us," shriek. I have been to Maine, and I don't remember hearing this kind of whine

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-08-20 12:37|| 2006-08-20 12:37|| Front Page Top

#11 "The Islamic world is myopic, preferring to see everything in terms of victimhood, blame culture and some perceived injustice (however long ago). Even when Muslims are brought up in the West, there seems to be something ~~in Islam~~ that still brings this out"

It is called the university system. As long as higher education remains in the hands of the enemies of the Enlightenment, rationalism and the West it is hardly surprising the people our academic elites sanctify as victims should accept their chosen role. That said, their own supremicist ideology and the prospects of booty and rapine probably help convince them of their chances.

"A bomb for every madrassa" as a friend of mine puts it.

Posted by Flea 2006-08-20 13:17|| 2006-08-20 13:17|| Front Page Top

#12 J.P. Devine is not part of the solution, he's part of the problem.

And lo! There came a time when a band of stout men were walking up a hill towards the sound of the guns and there came a moaning from a figure beside the road. The Master of the small band, being a Samaritan, did stop his troop and bent down beside the man moaning beside the road.

"Oh, woe, oh, woe, oh, woe unto me for the world endeth and there is nought that I nor any other can do except accept...oh, woe, oh, woe, oh, woe...," came the words from the moaning figure again and again.

The Master stood, pulling his hand away from the man's shoulder who he has just been checking for as to give what comfort he may.

Turning away, the Master motioned his men into motion then took a moment, stepped back, and spoke to the man lying beside the road.

"Cry on, oh, ye of little heart and fainter courage. Cry on. Better yet, cry on, and continue to lie thee down beside this well-travelled road. Myself and my lads here will render what aid we can, but we have business yonder up the hill a ways - business that you and your ilk might find unpalatable, for, unlike you, we are not willing to lie down and cry for our misfortune. Misfortune we may have, and misfortune we may meet. Aye, misfortune even unto death. Heed, what I sayeth here."

"While you shall do nought but lie here and cry, we shall go there and likely die. In truth, we would not have you with us for your spirit would serve only to spear our hearts and drain us dry."

"But knoweth this, oh ye weak and faint of heart, stout men of courage shall stand for thee and thine. Should we be not strong enough, and should the enemy come nie, remember us, for they shall not, and surely thou shalt die."

"And know ye this, that should we fail, and though thou surely die, we stood for thee, though we knew ye did not, but lie beside the road and cry. For we could do no less being what we are, men of hardened heart. Though we stopped to help, we could but weep, for what we came across. For thou shalt cry while the bullets fly, and the devils flay you live."

"I shall leave you now, oh ye poor, poor man, for my boys and I have life. And while we have life, so ye shall have life, though it costs us all our lives. But lie here still and cry if thou wilt, for it does but make me cry. For my own I fight and for thine I fight, but for thee I only cry."

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2006-08-20 20:02|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2006-08-20 20:02|| Front Page Top

#13 Drat! Needs work...

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2006-08-20 20:33|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2006-08-20 20:33|| Front Page Top

#14 Islam is a red light, not yellow and not green. I can in no way defend it. Ergo, I must pull it by the roots. For it is very bad seed indeed. It is a weed in the garden. This gutter religion is responsible for most of the misery and depravity on this planet. It is a vile representation of what you can NOT LIVE WITH. They crossed every line. They called the war. They were given plenty of notice. They heed not. Patience still. The horsemen awake.

Posted by newc">newc 2006-08-20 20:40|| 2006-08-20 20:40|| Front Page Top

#15 Second draft (still not so good),

And lo! There came a time when a band of stout men were walking up a hill towards the sound of the guns and there

came a moaning from a figure beside the road. The Master of the small band, being a Samaritan, did stop his troop

and bent down beside the man moaning beside the road.

"Oh, woe, oh, woe, oh, woe unto me for the world endeth and there is nought that I nor any other can do except

accept...oh, woe, oh, woe, oh, woe...," came the words from the moaning figure again and again.

The Master stood, pulling his hand away from the man's shoulder who he has just been checking for as to give what

comfort he may.

Turning away, the Master motioned his men into motion then took a moment, stepped back, and spoke to the man lying

beside the road.

"Cry on, oh, ye of little heart,
and fainter courage cry on,
Better yet, cry on and lyeth thee down beside this well-travelled road.

Myself and my lads,
will render ye here,
what little aid that we can,
but business we have,
up this hill there aways,
of a kind you just can't,
weigh the measure.

You must see that,
unlike yourself,
we're simply just not like you,
and we just cannot lay us down,
and simply forget who we are,
like those who're like you,
who are simply the fools,
who forget who it is,
that they are,
and who prattle like fools,
and scamper like tools,
and proclaim themselves
misfortunate all.

For misfortune we have,
and some we may meet,
but we are not willing to stop,
and simply lie down,
and wait for the hounds,
should death be our waypoint to keep.

"While you shall do nought,
but lie here and cry,
we shall go there and likely die,
In truth we would not have you with us for naught,
for your spirit would serve only to drain,
to spear our hearts through,
and get us all slain,
and then 't'wold all be for nought."

"But knoweth ye this,
oh ye weak and faint heart,
stout men of courage shall stand,
for thee and for thine,
and should we be not,
stout, strong 'nough through the command,
should the killers come nie,
send prayers for us all upon high,
for they surely shall not,
and though all we wrought,
surely at least thou shalt die."

"And know ye this truth,
-----
that should we fail ,
and though thou surely will die,
we stood for thee true,
though we knew ye did not,
but lie 'side the road and still cry.

For we could do no less,
the men that we are,
though of hardened of heart and of hew,
Though we stopped,
tried to help,
we could not but weep,
for ye whom we what came across.

For thou shalt still cry,
while the wild bullets fly,
and the devils flay you alive."

"I shall leave you 'lone now,
oh ye poor lowly sly,
while my boys and I have still have life.
And while we still live,
so ye shall still live,
though it costs us all of our might.

But lie here, be still
and cry if thou will,
for it does but make me heave sigh.
For my own I fight on,
and for thine I fight on,
but for thee I only but cry."

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2006-08-20 21:22|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2006-08-20 21:22|| Front Page Top

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