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2008-08-17 India-Pakistan

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Posted by john frum 2008-08-17 13:55|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 The United States has had an indirect hand in the creation of the Taliban in the first place.

Err.. no.

The Taliban were created after the Russians had left Afghanistan and US support ceased. They were the brainchild of Gen. Nasrullah Babar, Benazir Bhutto's Interior Minister and his plan was originally opposed by the ISI. Benazir approved it however and the ISI got on board when the Taliban began to have some success.

It is Pakistan that created the Taliban due to its strategic depth doctrine. It is the Pak ISI that has provided funding and training post 9/11.

Pakistanis have nobody to blame but themselves for the jihadi monster. To this day ordinary Pakistanis donate money for jihad in Kashmir and Afghanistan outside mosques and markets.

Posted by john frum 2008-08-17 14:41|| 2008-08-17 14:41|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm a wee doubtful about people starving to death in the streets, as well.

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2008-08-17 15:22|| 2008-08-17 15:22|| Front Page Top

#3 As we say at Rantburg... Let them hate, so long as they fear.

Posted by regular joe 2008-08-17 15:35|| 2008-08-17 15:35|| Front Page Top

#4 Maybe 20 years ago I read a Reader's Digest article about these Pakistani schools called Massadras. Pretty scary. I say the chickens have come home to roost.

Posted by Bobby 2008-08-17 16:56|| 2008-08-17 16:56|| Front Page Top

#5 Typical Muzzie. Screw things up to a fare thee well themselves, then frantically look for someone else on whom to blame the resulting mess. Sorry, Abbas, I'm not buying it. Want to see the real source of Pakiwakiland's problems? Grab your Koran, then go look in a full-length mirror.

Posted by Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-08-17 18:02|| 2008-08-17 18:02|| Front Page Top

#6 Yep, he's right. The Pakistanis are the world's greatest victims. I am sure that without the interference of the eeeeeviillll USA, they would all be leading lifestyles that would make Westerners jealous. (Ok, they'd settle for making the Indians jealous.....but you know what I mean.)

Yep, the fact that they refuse to do anything serious to improve education, public health, or their infrastructure has nothing to do with it. Nope, it's all America's fault.

Posted by Swamp Blondie in the Cornfields 2008-08-17 18:52|| 2008-08-17 18:52|| Front Page Top

Posted by badanov 2008-08-17 19:10|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-17 19:10|| Front Page Top

#8 What have they done for us?

Posted by badanov 2008-08-17 19:11|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-17 19:11|| Front Page Top

#9 I got tired of the conflation of the Taliban with the actual mujaheddin that fought the Sovs sometime in the early afternoon of 9/11/01. The guy who carried the freight against the Sovs was Masood. It wasn't any Pashtun, to include Hekmatyar, but also including the Jalalabad warlords.

The war against the Sovs went from 1979 to 1992, if I recall. That means it ended 16 years ago. The Dog-Eat-Dog lasted until 1994, which was when the Talibs descended from the Pak madrassahs and chased Gul Agha Sherzai out of Kandahar and Hekmatyar out of the country. Prior to that, they were students (taliban) away safe from the fighting.

The Arab mujaheddin, by the way, weren't that much of a factor against the Sovs. Because there were Pashtuns involved, most of their time and attention was involved with jockeying for position and knifing tribal rivals in the back, sometimes literally.

Posted by Fred 2008-08-17 19:35|| 2008-08-17 19:35|| Front Page Top

#10 Is the current batch of the poverty-stricken any worse off than poor people in that part of the world going back the last 4,000 years? Are there that many more of the starving poor as a percentage of the population? Raw numbers don't count, because the entire population has grown so throughout the Indian subcontinent. If yes, I would be very interested in the evidence.

Finally, just because Benazir Bhutto thought President General Dr. Musharref was behind attempts on her life, that does not mean he was the one to succeed. It could have been the ISI, working for their own portfolio, or the jihadi types disapproving of a woman appearing bare-faced in public, brazenly putting out her hand to regrasp the crown and scepter of Pakistan.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-08-17 19:53|| 2008-08-17 19:53|| Front Page Top

#11 FWIW:
"Pakistan has seen a growing middle class population since then and poverty levels have decreased by 10% since 2001. GDP growth, spurred by gains in the industrial and service sectors, remained in the 6-8% range in 2004-06. In 2005, the World Bank named Pakistan the top reformer in its region and in the top 10 reformers globally."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Pakistan

Posted by Darrell 2008-08-17 20:27|| 2008-08-17 20:27|| Front Page Top

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