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2006-08-16 Britain

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Posted by Steve White 2006-08-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The Hittites were of the same perverse logic. It was not who they were, it was how they thought and how corrupt their thought was,

Amazing the press is siding with those with no press. Maybe that is the arrogance Muslim speaks against. Maybe Muslim wants to be proven wrong? Already has. nevermind. just thinking to myself. Sorry.

Posted by newc">newc 2006-08-16 02:44|| 2006-08-16 02:44|| Front Page Top

#2 Because liberals are unwilling to face the consequences of having to fight for their freedom?

Not always true. Saint Franklin Roosevelt, of the secular church of liberalism, had no problem fighting whether it was ordering 'aggressive' response to German U-Boats in international waters or launching an unprovoked surprise attack upon the French territories of North Africa, even though we were at peace with the French and there was no Congressional authorization to take us into such a war.

Posted by Hupoth Throling8981 2006-08-16 09:27|| 2006-08-16 09:27|| Front Page Top

#3 ...Safe, legal and rare

Posted by Capsu 78 2006-08-16 09:33|| 2006-08-16 09:33|| Front Page Top

#4 A small note about the movie "The battle for Algiers" it was made by a communist in the great tradition from the French Colmmunist Party of ever backatabbing the French Army (even in 1940, it sabotaged French weapon productions to help its Nazi allies). In it you will learn about Henri Allegre being tortured (reality: he called a lieutenant a "fascist" and was slapped) or about the French Army using torture but not about the dilemma it faced: either torture this terroristb (I insist terrorist not suspect) or have his friends bomb a bus school ie the film does not say a word about the atrocities of the FLN and how torture was seen to be the only way toprevent them.

Oh and BTW: Givebn that I was born in Algiers and that even as a toddler I was a legitimate target according to FLN (cf the horrioble masscre at Philippeville or the many massacres of Algerian villages) don't expect of me that I condemn use of torture on proven terrorists.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-08-16 11:21|| 2006-08-16 11:21|| Front Page Top

#5 The film suggests that torture + incompetence + murder leads to defeat.

IIUC, the battle of Algiers saw the fln rooted out; it was a very successful counter-insurgency work which basically set the standards for such operations.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-08-16 11:37|| 2006-08-16 11:37|| Front Page Top

#6 Btw, the "Battle for algiers" is a great movie. Aside for the fact it is pro-fln propaganda piece made after the war by french and italian communists with the help of the algerian gvt to show how heroic were the fln "soldiers" (the murderous pimp ali la pointe tasked by the fln to rein in the underworld is depicted as a saint choosing to die for the Cause), and how "native liberation struggle" they were (the secret muslim marriage).
Still, the movie doesn't completly hide the terrorist methods employed there (the corpse dropped from the car, which turns around the block to sweep the flocking bystanders with smg fire), it just sublime them.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-08-16 11:42|| 2006-08-16 11:42|| Front Page Top

#7 Personally I don't care if the US uses torture or not. If it works and it doesn't affect the psych of the torturers too much I can live with it. If it doesn't work as we hope I can live without it.

I want the bad guys to be 100% confident that we'll use the worse thing they can think of against them if we get ahold of them. I want fevered nightmares, paranoia, and insomnia amung our enemies..

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-16 12:59|| 2006-08-16 12:59|| Front Page Top

#8 i can buy the Mark Biden approach. Of course that was NOT the admin approach until Sen McCain forced it on them, to loud wailing and gnashing of teeth, here, among other places.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-08-16 15:49|| 2006-08-16 15:49|| Front Page Top

#9 should be bowden

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-08-16 15:49|| 2006-08-16 15:49|| Front Page Top

#10 Hope you're wrong LH.

Posted by Joe 2006-08-16 18:33|| 2006-08-16 18:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Already too late for me.

Posted by Amos 2006-08-16 18:34|| 2006-08-16 18:34|| Front Page Top

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