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2023-08-14 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

In Donbas, Russia repeats 80-year-old liberation

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Posted by badanov 2023-08-14 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Something to ponder:

Putin is a reactionary Russian patriot, natural ally of any sovereign, conservative nation-state. The American objective is to end Russian sovereignty and make it over in the woke image of America: a radical Jacobin stronghold. By America’s prescriptions, Russia should be a woke, minority white, multicultural sewer, awash with MeToo, BLM, and ANTIFA sensibilities.

Link: WIN OR DIE: UKRAINE’S AMERICA-ENGINEERED ‘OPTIONS’

Posted by Besoeker 2023-08-14 02:48|| 2023-08-14 02:48|| Front Page Top

#2 And the Ukrainian people, who in their millions had died during Stalin's artificial famine during the Communist collectivization of the previous decade, were they restored, too?

There are plenty of bitter memories to go around for everybody. War does that. Chose one. Cling to it. Hate and there will always be more.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-08-14 12:13|| 2023-08-14 12:13|| Front Page Top

#3 The only way to stop the hate is for people to forgive each other. We have all sinned and we are all in need of forgiveness. Ask an American Indian if he forgives Custer or an African American if he forgives Thomas Jefferson.

You say you're not Custer or Jefferson?

Putin is not Stalin.

The writer here is attempting to inspire his people to defeat what many Russians see as a threat to their existence. That would be NATO. German tanks rolling in their direction make the writer's job easier. They summon bitter memories.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-08-14 12:34|| 2023-08-14 12:34|| Front Page Top

#4 *** Checks map *** No, it's still Russians on the Ukrainian side of the border (with tanks). When they're gone, then you've got a leg to stand on. Until then, just apologia for atrocities.

Posted by Nero 2023-08-14 14:34|| 2023-08-14 14:34|| Front Page Top

#5 It would be really helpful, Abu Uluque, if President Putin, et al, had not been talking in terms of genocide since the beginning of this thing. Instead, they went straight from the flattery of “Kiev is the heart of the Rus” to “nationalists are Nazis and we have to kill them all like we did last time,” and talk about reconstituting the Soviet empire. badanov cleans out most of the Ukro-nazi and similar vocabulary from his translations, leaving us merely the task of facts to weigh, but forgiveness has to be matched by at least an end to threats. As it stands, what will happen if Ukraine stands down versus what will happen if Russia stands down?

Posted by trailing wife 2023-08-14 15:13|| 2023-08-14 15:13|| Front Page Top

#6 badanov cleans out most of the Ukro-nazi and similar vocabulary from his translations, leaving us merely the task of facts to weigh

Actually I clear out the portmanteaus, leaving the adjectives-nouns as written, such as Ukrainians Nazis.

Posted by badanov 2023-08-14 16:09|| 2023-08-14 16:09|| Front Page Top

#7 I understand that Putin wants to denazify Ukraine. Dunno how that translates to genocide. My impression is that he really wants to keep NATO out of there. It seems he equates NATO with the Third Reich. The way they keep moving east makes that understandable.

I've heard a lot from people who want to kill Russians.

Posted by Zorba Tholugum4787 2023-08-14 21:11|| 2023-08-14 21:11|| Front Page Top

#8 Custer and his soldiers were massacred by indians in considerable part because of his foolish grandstanding.
Custer's descendeants may forgive the Indians, but what did Custer do to the Indians that they should forgive? Die when slaughtered?

Posted by By now 2023-08-14 21:18|| 2023-08-14 21:18|| Front Page Top

#9 #9 was on my cell phone. Sorry for any confusion.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-08-14 23:14|| 2023-08-14 23:14|| Front Page Top

#10 How does wanting Ukraine to be independent rather than another Russian province equal Nazis, Zorba Tholugum4787? I was shocked when I first read it. Yet the Russians loudly so define them, following up with the need to wipe them out as they wiped out the German Nazi in the second world war.

And this, when there is quite as much fondness for white supremacy in Russia as there is in the Ukraine.

Posted by trailing wife 2023-08-14 23:17|| 2023-08-14 23:17|| Front Page Top

#11 #7, Zorba was on my cell phone. Let confusion reign.

Yeah, I think Custer did some dirty deeds before he got to Little Big Horn. Whatever. American Indians got a raw deal. The history of advanced civilizations meeting less advanced is unfortunate.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-08-14 23:18|| 2023-08-14 23:18|| Front Page Top

#12 It's been dirty for dirty, dear trailing wife, all down the line, to quote Joni Mitchell. Sorry but it's getting late and that quote does seem to apply. It serves no purpose to recount all the bloody crimes that have been committed in the past. American presidents should be wise enough to know that and seek peace instead. I believe that an America president, in spite of our nation's decline, still has enough power to call for negotiations that would end this war. Instead Joe Biden sends more guns so that more people die. It's tragic. Call me a Russophil if you want but I believe that Russians have a place in this world, as do Ukrainians. The border between them is negotiable. I also believe that part of the world is beyond any legitimate sphere of influence that NATO should ever claim. We need to mind our own business and our own borders.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-08-14 23:48|| 2023-08-14 23:48|| Front Page Top

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