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2004-08-13 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Steve White 2004-08-13 12:13:19 AM|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 John Kerry describes Christmas Eve in Cambodia as a critical turning point in his life. We now know that his story is completely false. My question is how many people do you know have invented a turning point, one that is seared in his memory? ...

One wonders if his boat had a deck log.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-08-13 12:47:20 AM|| 2004-08-13 12:47:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Col. Flagg ripped out the relevant pages.

Posted by Steve White 2004-08-13 12:50:19 AM|| 2004-08-13 12:50:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 SH..good thought.

How does one confuse "Christmas" in a war zone for January? Answer: if they are lying or one beer short of a six pack. Either way you gotta worry.

Anyone following this who isn't a blind believer won't be convinced. Hey Dim's this guy isn't ready for prime time. You picked a lame mule/donkey/ja for a thoroughbred race. You gonna bet yours and your childrens future on this longshot?

Posted by B 2004-08-13 12:56:51 AM|| 2004-08-13 12:56:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Col. Flagg ripped out the relevant pages

unreal! Kerry is one sKerry individual.

Posted by B 2004-08-13 12:58:04 AM|| 2004-08-13 12:58:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I was just thinking how stooopid Kerry is to do this. The loons could have been easily convinced that he really did spend Christmas in Cambodia on a super dooper secret black ops. As for the Nixon thing, they'd have thought, well, he was already elected, if not in office...so Kerry just got a little confused.

But now the true-believers don't even have that. Bwahhhaaaahhhaaaa!!

Posted by B 2004-08-13 1:17:39 AM|| 2004-08-13 1:17:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 This is a well worn tactic by the Kerryites. The move the issue from lying about being Christmas in Cambodia to the issue of whether it was Christmas or January? Very Clinton-like. Besides Gardner, the boat mate with Kerry for two months and attests that Kerry was not in Cambodia for Christmas, left Kerry in January.

Posted by Capt America 2004-08-13 1:37:58 AM|| [http://captamerica.blogspot.com/] 2004-08-13 1:37:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Coming soon: Valentine's Day in Cambodia.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-08-13 2:32:12 AM|| 2004-08-13 2:32:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 He gundecked this like he did his other actiosn there.

Fundamentally dishonest individual - right at the very core of his being trying to claim to be a Cahtolic yet working against the teaching of the Church. That tells me all I need to know about his moral character and courage (or lack thereof)

Posted by Oldspook 2004-08-13 2:40:09 AM|| 2004-08-13 2:40:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Old Spook,I don't know about the lack of courage when he was 20. His gunslinger attitude seems consistent with the immortality complex I have seen in many young soldiers. His actions are as relayed by the commander of the boat missions he went on are inconsistent with a man who considers himself responsible for the lives of his crewmembers.
Bringing a camera to record the exploits is something I would expect out of a Boy Scout camp counselor.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-08-13 3:14:47 AM|| 2004-08-13 3:14:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 his Cambodia lie was ignored by the mainsteam media,

however, his reinvention of history will be done by the msm; suppose there are holes in the reinvention -- will the msm be able to ignore that

Posted by mhw 2004-08-13 7:56:51 AM|| 2004-08-13 7:56:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Bringing a camera to record the exploits is something I would expect out of a Boy Scout camp counselor.

as brought up by another rantburger...why wasn't he busy filming all those atrocities he saw?

Posted by B 2004-08-13 7:59:11 AM|| 2004-08-13 7:59:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 January '69? Hmmm! Wasn't that the year the snows came late in Cambodia?

Yeah, that must be what threw his seared brain off kilter. Could happen to anybody.

Posted by NotSoAnonymous6060 2004-08-13 8:26:20 AM|| 2004-08-13 8:26:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Not lack of courage - he faced fire, so thats not a question.

Its a lack of MORAL courage. The courage to tell the truth and take the political fallout. The courage to stick to the issue and not smear those who question him.

Main for me, he fails most miserably on the most important question: his religion versus his political activities. He claims to be Catholic and apparently still presents himself for Communion, yet rejects the major tenets of the credo that he assents to as part of the mass.

Basically you cannot be Catholic and fail to oppose abortion. The Church teaches it is a great evil. And especially people of public stature must actively oppose it. Privately, you can pray for it, etc. But you cannot support it.

And the old "I dont want to impose my views on others" is a moral copout. If you truly believe its is an evil act, then to promote it or not oppose it is to encourage evil in the world. IF you were in 1930's Germany, saying "I think the anti-Jew laws are evil, but I don't want to impose my view on the Nazis", or "I beleive Slavery is an evil, but I will not oppose legislation that promotes it or enables it, and I will be sure to promote jusdges that let people choose to keep slaves".

Now look at all the so-called "Pro Choice" people who claim to be Catholic. The Church teaches that Abortion is evil. So either you oppose Abortion, or else you do not believe the Church has authority - in other words if you are pro choice, you MUST leave the CHurch.

And thats what pisses me off about Kerry - he is a moral coward - he does not have the courage to either obey the Church that holds his salvation, or publicly admit that he disagress and shoudl leave the Church over a moral issue, much as Martin Luther did.

Moral Coward. Proven.

And thats the kind of straddling, craven moral cowardice in the most important part of anyone's life: the fate of their soul. If he's that dishonest on the most important issues of life and death, then how can he be trusted on anything of a lesser degree?

Sorry, got off an a rant,but I am so tired of "pro choice" types liek Kerry and the Gay divorced govenor of New Jersey claiming to be "Catholic" when they quite clearly are not - and I'm pissed tha the press (and the Church!) never bothers to publicly question the hypocracy.

Posted by Oldspook 2004-08-13 9:38:31 AM|| 2004-08-13 9:38:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Why is the above relevant to this?

It demonstrates a long, continuous pattern of lies, shading and skating around truth - and a fundamental lack of ability to simply tell the truth if it is not politically advantageous.

This marks him as having a flawed and bad character, and most definitely Unfit For Command.

Posted by Oldspook 2004-08-13 9:42:42 AM|| 2004-08-13 9:42:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 I was never in Cambodia, that was all DIA and I'm not DIA nor CID. Okay yes, I ate the log. Tough. I mean really, really tough. Mum's the word or else I'll have to demonstrate the Mongolian Chest Implosion on one of you Burghers, if that's who you really are.

Posted by Col Flagg 2004-08-13 10:02:33 AM|| 2004-08-13 10:02:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 John Kerry is not a great man. He's trying to puff himself via this and that story to 'seem' great. But it isn't authentic. It doesn't work. People will vote for him because he's "NotBush" and that's the only reason.

I still steadfastly refuse to believe that any swiftboat got anywhere near Cambodia. Perhaps he'll change his vessel for the Cambodia mission to something else next.

Posted by eLarson 2004-08-13 10:07:33 AM|| 2004-08-13 10:07:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 apparently it wasn't "seared...seared!" in his memory. More like poached, or over-easy. What a lying asshole. Only problem with this is that it still doesn't fly, for all the reasons already noted. 'Screwing the pooch is right

Posted by Frank G 2004-08-13 10:24:36 AM|| 2004-08-13 10:24:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Scrambled Frank, scrambled.

Posted by Shipman 2004-08-13 10:30:40 AM|| 2004-08-13 10:30:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Someone should ask Kerry's crew where they were
on Christmas eve 1968. The time line of Kerry's Navy service shown on the Kerry-Edwards wed page: 12/24/68, Kerry involved in combat during the Christmas Eve truce of 1968. The truce was three minutes old when mortar fire exploded around Lieutenant Kerry and his five-man crew. Reacting swiftly, John Kerry and his crew silenced the machine gun nest. See how many of the crew besides Gardner remember that Kerry is lying when he says that this incident happened in Cambodia or even if it happened at all.The MSM will check that out, right? Didn't think so.

Posted by GK 2004-08-13 10:36:37 AM|| 2004-08-13 10:36:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Where's John Lovitz to induct Kerry into the Liars' Club and teach him how to say,
"Yeah! That's the ticket!...It was Christmas...no, wait, it was Mardi Gras 'cause that fascist Nixon had just been inaugurated and only a fascist like him would send us illegally into Cambodia!
And I saw Morgan Fairchild there, too...naked."

Posted by GreatestJeneration 2004-08-13 10:36:37 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-08-13 10:36:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 #13 Sorry, got off a rant,... No need to apologize, OS, that's why we're all here. Besides, your views are are always appreciated.
Rant on, brother....

Posted by GK 2004-08-13 10:46:11 AM|| 2004-08-13 10:46:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 New question. What is this I hear about a supposed crewmate of Kerry's that wasn't. He is supposedly campaigning with kerry, yet, this felllow was supposedly wounded before Kerry took charge of the particular swiftboat he was on and never returned to that duty. i.e. they weren't crewmates. Anybody?

Posted by BigEd 2004-08-13 11:28:05 AM|| 2004-08-13 11:28:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Is screaming allowed, or only ranting?

JEEBUS H. CRIPES IN A BASKET!!!!!! Are we now supposed to believe that super-secret black missions in Cambodia were entrusted to an LtJG with exactly 2 months of experience in a Swift Boat??????? WTF!!!!???!!?!??!!

Posted by AlanC 2004-08-13 11:40:24 AM|| 2004-08-13 11:40:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 John Kerry's parents never taught him this rhyme.
It help one remember which month is which.

30 days hath September. . .
April, June, and November. . .

I remember getting shot at by drunk South Vietnamese in January for no reason. This is when I got the lucky hat from the ~~CIA~~ er Navy Seal fellow because he wanted off fast because ~~he didn't trust my piloting of the boat~~ he had some clandestine mission to accomplish. Our cover was that ~~I was a woefully inexperienced skipper of a type of boat not usually used.~~ (NO) ~~I was a politically-well-connected naval officer, so I got the assignment, that if I survived, I would be set for life, so I had an incentive.~~ (NO) I was so good that I was the first one they thought of for such a mission.

Posted by BigEd 2004-08-13 11:52:46 AM|| 2004-08-13 11:52:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 "My name is Kerry..... John Kerry.... Secret Agent Man...."

Agent 00-zero in my book. This person lied before congress (under oath) during his testimony (I dont think he is stupid enough to not know Winter Solder was a fraud). Now he lied about being in Cambodia.

The only question is my book is: Is he a pathological liar? Either way he has zero credibility with me.

I wouldn't beleve him if he told me my own name.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-08-13 11:56:19 AM|| 2004-08-13 11:56:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 In clear, easy to understand, and polite words please:
Will someone tell me why you all seem to hate Kerry so much?

Posted by Gentle 2004-08-13 11:59:31 AM|| 2004-08-13 11:59:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 sKerry is a liar, a traitor, a golddigger, a gigolo, an America-hater, a Communist and perhaps even a war criminal.
And an arrogant, pompous ass, too!
That's why we hate him.
Does that work for you, "Gentle?"

Posted by GreatestJeneration 2004-08-13 12:11:38 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-08-13 12:11:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Lets just hope it works for him. I couldn't care less.
Thanks for answering though.

Posted by Gentle 2004-08-13 12:14:12 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:14:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 "The only question is my book is: Is he a pathological liar? Either way he has zero credibility with me."

The impression I have is not so much a "pathological liar" as an ordinary, garden-variety bullshitter, a teller of tall tales.

That, and the belief common among Democratic Party politicians lately that you can say just about ANYTHING and (1) people will believe it and (2) the press will cover for you.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-08-13 12:16:35 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:16:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Unlike the Dingoes, you misunderstand hate for distrust.

1) Kerry is a first class liar.
He made up stories about Vietnam which people who served with him refute. The current Christmas or January in Cambodia incident is an example. He was never in Cambodia in 1968 or 1969. But he claims he delivered a CIA man there and the CIA man gave him a "lucky hat".

2) He is a person without a core. He will say what the audience at a campaign stop wants to hear. Acts pro-gun in front of hunters, though he wants to restrict hunting and gun ownership. (Based on his Senate voting record)

3) He is a phony. He goes to a hamburger place, acting like he's eating there, but eats little, and then goes back to the campaign train where a very fancy lunch awaits him.

4) He lacks manners. He snowboards into a bodyguard, then curses out and blames the bodyguard for the incident, rather then his own clumsiness. There very many witnesses to this.

This is beyond disagreeing with him politically, which I admit. This is a man you wouldn't trust to be your next-door neighbbor.

Posted by BigEd 2004-08-13 12:17:03 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:17:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Thanks for reminding me, Jen-

Gentle : Do you realize Kerry got the endorsement of the Communist Party USA?

Posted by BigEd 2004-08-13 12:19:57 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:19:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 He's a liar. Personally I detest liars. Technically I don't hate him. Just detest him for being false. He is the type of person who whould say anything, to anyone, to get elected. He is a moral coward.

For example he claims to support a strong defense but his entire senate record calls him a liar. For me actions (his record) speak louder then words -- and right now his record is screaming 'Liar!'.

His actions after he served in Vietnam bordered on treason. His testimony before congress back then was false. Its my opinion that he must have known that his testimony was based on a fraud -- he's a liar but not that stupid.

See oldspook's comments above.

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-08-13 12:21:33 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:21:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by Mr. Davis TROLL 2004-08-13 12:21:38 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:21:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 we hate kerry because his actions have shown repeatedly that he does not love America, he only loves himself.

he's not just a liar, he worked with an organization that was against the Vietnam war, one the KBG admits to having had strong hand in.

that makes him either a traitor who allied with the enemy or an unwitting stooge. (and not just any enemy, the freaking USSR!)

I also do not see him as an american, americans are supposed to believe in the people. It's not just lies, it's also how poorly made the lies are, he has no respect for the people.

Then there's Kerry's record in people interactions, one of his more favored shouts is "Do You Know who _I_ AM? " to anyone who tries to prevent him from moving to the front of a long line at a restaurant some where.

then there is his congressional record. In theory Kerry is supposed to be serving our nation right now, But he is not in attendance and he is not voting, he has more or less said "Screw you guys! I'm gonna spend all my time running for president and I'm gonna keep taking your money while I'm at it! " to the state that elected him. An honorable man would have publicly recognized his priorities and resigned from his post so someone else could serve in his place

but kerry has never been honorable man

Posted by Dcreeper 2004-08-13 12:38:34 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:38:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 http://www.allahpundit.com/archives/000760.html

Posted by Anonymous4021 2004-08-13 12:50:53 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:50:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 I don't hate him, either. I strongly dislike him becuase he is a lying weasel. In taped testimony when he returned from Vietnam he said, "I am ashamed of what I did in Vietnam". Now, he says, "I am proud of my service in Vietnam. I defended my Country." I defended my Country but not for only 4 months and I didn't come home and lie about it for political reasons. I used to be a Democrat but I can't stomach the vile screeching erupting from them now. I want my Party back!!

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-08-13 12:57:53 PM|| 2004-08-13 12:57:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 ...his actions have shown repeatedly that he does not love America, he only loves himself.

That's Kerry in a nutshell, all right!

Posted by Raj 2004-08-13 1:11:49 PM|| 2004-08-13 1:11:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 Gentle: another reason to hate Kerry
Lt. Gov. Kerryâs executive order on behalf of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts read in part:

âWhereas the existing and potential strength of nuclear weapons is such that nuclear war can neither be won nor survived, it can only be prevented; and Whereas the only effective defense against the horrors of nuclear weapons lies in their elimination and in the prevention of nuclear war or attacks, [the Commonwealth of Massachusetts] shall seek to ensure the safety of its citizens by pursuit of policies reflecting a serious commitment to prevention of nuclear war.â

âSuch policies,â the Kerry directive continued, âshall include education of citizens concerning the real nature of nuclear war and efforts to influence national policy towards negotiation of an end to the nuclear-arms race.â

The Kerry order stated emphatically, however: âNo funds shall be expended by the Commonwealth for crisis relocation planning for nuclear war.â

Monica Conyngham, Lt. Gov. Kerryâs spokeswoman at the time, defended the controversial document, telling reporters, âWe believe that [evacuation] plans are absolutely futile and that there are no safehavens from nuclear war.â

Gov. Dukakis signed Kerryâs âno nuclear defenseâ executive order into law on June 28, 1984.

'nough said.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-08-13 1:43:34 PM|| 2004-08-13 1:43:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Still, maybe 'hate' is strong a word - I think 'despise' is more accurate.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-08-13 1:46:38 PM|| 2004-08-13 1:46:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Thanks, Shipman, I needed that. Puts things in perspective.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-08-13 2:42:19 PM|| 2004-08-13 2:42:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 I do so like to be helpful, Mr. Blues.

Posted by Shipman 2004-08-13 2:58:21 PM|| 2004-08-13 2:58:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 I hadn't realized I was going to provoke such a long commentary, but it's been one of the most useful threads for me in a while: several of you have said, directly, what I've been trying to say to my gentle Democratic friends on why I cannot, will not vote for John Kerry. OldSpook and BigEd particularly have been succient and direct -- just the bullets I need for my argument. Thankee kindly good peoples ...

Posted by Steve White 2004-08-13 3:02:32 PM|| 2004-08-13 3:02:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 BigEd...Check out Captainsquartersblog.com for the story on the crewmate that probably wasn't a crewmate.

Posted by AF Lady 2004-08-13 4:29:24 PM|| 2004-08-13 4:29:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 I don't hate Kerry, there's nothing there to hate. The man's a void. He's ALWAYS been a self-serving asshole, so why be surprised? I won't vote for him for ANY office, not even the choice slot of Boston Dogcatcher...

Posted by mojo 2004-08-13 4:43:15 PM|| 2004-08-13 4:43:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 Thanx AF Lady, That is it!

Posted by BigEd 2004-08-13 4:46:25 PM|| 2004-08-13 4:46:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#46

Kerry & Group from Swiftboat 94 2/28/69
No Alston above

Before Alston's Combat Wound suffered 1/27/69
Kerry was standing with the crew of 94. Even though someone else was comander of the boat?
The other 3 guys are in BOTH photos.
Can we ask them? Who are they?

Pictures from Vietnam Vets against John Kerry

Posted by BigEd 2004-08-13 6:00:39 PM|| 2004-08-13 6:00:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 BigEd - Just FYI - you need to hit the tip jar for posting inline images. They hit the RB bandwidth - whereas links do not. I know it's fun, but...

Posted by .com 2004-08-13 6:02:29 PM|| 2004-08-13 6:02:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Doesn't the bandwidth go to the site hosting the photos ?
Hey, I'm just askin'.

muck4doo4prez

Posted by Anonymous6075 2004-08-13 9:04:52 PM|| 2004-08-13 9:04:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 "Did I say seared? I meant, um...baked! Yeah, that's it.

Baked."

Posted by mojo 2004-08-13 10:58:09 PM|| 2004-08-13 10:58:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Anon6075 - When it's a link - the connection is directly to the image's hosting server. The same is true if you have this page displayed and do a right-click Save Image As on any image displayed.

But the page had to be built and transmitted to you, right? When you hit a server and request a page - an HTML document - it has to build the page and then serve it to you... Every time this article page is requested, the RB server must pull together all of the elements, including: hitting the DB to find and format all of the comments posted, going to get the inline image(s) [B/W in], construct the page, and then send to the requesting browser [B/W out]. It's not obvious, I admit.

Posted by .com 2004-08-13 11:26:15 PM|| 2004-08-13 11:26:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 .com, are you sure that's the way it works? The source shows:
"IMG SRC=http://www.viet... .jpg>"
I believe that my browser reads the html page from rantburg, sees the "IMG SRC ...>" and pulls the image from the specified address.

Posted by Anonymous6075 2004-08-14 1:54:38 AM|| 2004-08-14 1:54:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#52 A6075 - Since RB uses ASP / PHP, I assumed that the script interpretation process to build the outgoing HTML would validate the elements, thus hitting the resource elements, but no it doesn't... the entire resources issue is left to the browser to solve and format. Sigh.

You're absolutely right - and I owe an apology to Big Ed.

I've been reading for about an hour thru the DOM Tree / Node formatting process - where are the tokens generated & validated, server or browser side, and it's browser side so it can use the cache and other considerations - details the server wouldn't know - and shouldn't care about. I do not know why I thought the ASP/PHP would perform validation - hell if I can remember now.

Senility has set in and I'm Mr Apology, today!

Sigh.

Posted by .com 2004-08-14 3:15:37 AM|| 2004-08-14 3:15:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#53 So, we are merely stealing bandwidth from someone else! That's different! Do you all have attorneys? Do you have even CPAs? Are you aware that you cannot expense bandwith cost for your little hobby? That's what horses are for. Speaking of horses, the one know as .com do you plan to declare that Christmas pony as income? If not, why not? When? Call BR 549 and humbly request form PONY5566777 and we may cut you a break.

Posted by Federal Jones 2004-08-14 1:02:50 PM|| 2004-08-14 1:02:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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