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2021-08-08 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

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Posted by Skidmark 2021-08-08 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 We're back to Covid roundups?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-08 01:22|| 2021-08-08 01:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Israeli study: 20% of vaccinated health workers who test positive suffer from long COVID

We know that immunity is not permanent - therefore the booster shots.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-08 01:31|| 2021-08-08 01:31|| Front Page Top

#3 Only 0.5% of all those in the study ended up with Long Covid, if I did the math correctly. To me this suggests that some people’s immune systems simply cannot deal well with the infection, or possibly with infection overall, for reasons not yet understood.

As designed...0.5% X 8B worldwide would be about 40 million people if the ratios hold up

Posted by Warthog 2021-08-08 08:42|| 2021-08-08 08:42|| Front Page Top

#4
Looking the data as of this posting.

1,285,609+ new "claimed" USA infections in the last 14 days.
That works out to about 0.38 of 1% the USA population of (333,135,490)
in the last 14 days.

With a last 14 day death rate of 0.0017 of 1% or 0.0442 of 1% per year for the USA population.

Or a running mortality average of 0.450 of 1% Deaths due to "reported" Infections.

According to United State
"reported vaccinated numbers"
August 2nd, 2021
50.6 % of US population fully vaccinated
166M Full Vaccinated out of 330M

Overall since the start we are "told" 36,518,948 have been infected and 632,987 died from the Virus.

So the number seems to indicate a small double digit number of persons previously Infected with, or vaccinated for Strains A-C are still getting infected with Strain D.

So are we are looking at an annual strain based vaccination and a booster every 6 months?

Posted by NN2N1 2021-08-08 09:17|| 2021-08-08 09:17|| Front Page Top

#5 Good question NN2N1. I suppose we will have vaccinations and boosters as long as the government pays for them, not so much when it's on the patient's dime.

Posted by Spoter B 2021-08-08 09:21|| 2021-08-08 09:21|| Front Page Top

#6 /\ Everything, I say again everything the giverment does is ultimately.... on the taypayer's dime.

Posted by Besoeker 2021-08-08 10:16|| 2021-08-08 10:16|| Front Page Top

#7 with respect to the Iceland situation

1. Almost all the vaccinated got Pfizer

2. Notwithstanding all the new infections only 2 fatalities from Covid so far in calendar 2021.

Posted by Lord Garth 2021-08-08 10:40|| 2021-08-08 10:40|| Front Page Top

#8 We're back to Covid roundups?

The articles did not merit individual discussion when they could more usefully be addressed together, g(r)omgoru.

We know that immunity is not permanent

The article on the Israeli study only spoke about immune response titrations, not factors that would predict a poorer immune response among those who had breakthrough infections, such as age, ill health, or weakened immune systems. What if the issue is not the changing virus but the small subset of the population that for various reasons respond less well to both infection and vaccination? If that is the case, it seems to me that regular booster shots are not nearly as much an issue, nor total infections, but identification of that small group that will be more susceptible to everything.

I firmly believe in comparisons and calculations, which overexcited reporters prefer to ignore — and which it is the duty, in my opinion, of the scientific community to explain. In Indian 'Delta' variant causes 84% increase in COVID-19 cases in children , for instance, there is an interesting graph of daily Covid deaths since the beginning of this thing that shows the summer trough we’re starting to climb out of is about half the summer trough of 2020, and to date the climb that can be expected does not appear to be as steep.

I looked more closely at the numbers in the Long Covid article, and saw no reason for alarm, possibly because this is something that happens to some people regardless of the trigger... and because of the anecdotal evidence that for most of those people this is merely a longer recovery independent of the apparent severity of the active disease stage. With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as well, as I recall something like a third recover spontaneously within the first three years — while the millions around the world who do not recover “quickly” mostly never do. Which suggests that 2/3rds of 0.5% of those who show symptoms of the thing will have long term problems — and probably less as future variants become less virulent, following the habit of pandemic diseases.

I’m on holiday this weekend, so only quickly scanned the submitted articles on the subject, rather than fisking each for the key questions the reporters did not ask and answer. Nor did I post several articles I glanced at about huge anti-lockdown/anti-vaccine passport protests in Europe in recent days. It isn’t just Americans who have lost patience with overweening governments.

0.5% X 8B worldwide would be about 40 million people if the ratios hold up

True. But how does that compare to other diseases and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome not linked to a specific disease? Not to mention that the entire 8 billion will not be exposed to the thing all at once — the process will likely take years, with the variants becoming less virulent in the meantime.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-08-08 11:30|| 2021-08-08 11:30|| Front Page Top

#9 Thanks TW - You are on holiday - You have been Vaxxed - Enjoy - You took a like "Busman's Holiday", I understand and Appreciate the input - Please continue 'vacating'

And Oh, by the way, Say Hi to Barry & Mooch for me will ya ?

Posted by Whomock Wholuting7462 2021-08-08 11:55|| 2021-08-08 11:55|| Front Page Top

#10 I wonder if we might get control of our southern border by mandating that all 'migrants' be automatically vaccinated.

Posted by Angstrom 2021-08-08 12:09|| 2021-08-08 12:09|| Front Page Top

#11 Dear, dear Barack and Michelle have not been reported anywhere near Harper’s Ferry, thank goodness. ;-) You are very welcome, my dear Whomock Wholuting7462.

Separately, ask and ye shall receive: In today’s Times of Israel Liveblog, the information I wanted just popped up.

Report: 14 Israelis have caught COVID-19 despite receiving booster shot

Internal Health Ministry data shows that 14 Israelis have been infected with COVID-19 a week after receiving a booster shot, Channel 12 news reports.

The network says 11 of those infected are over the age of 60 — two of whom have now been hospitalized — while the other three got their third dose because they are immunocompromised.

If confirmed in larger samples, the figures could cast doubt on the effectiveness of the booster shot, which Israel has started administering before major health bodies around the world have approved it.

I would disagree with the conclusion. If confirmed in larger samples, this suggests to me that the elderly and the immunocompromised are the only ones who should merit extra concern following complete vaccination or infection.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-08-08 12:12|| 2021-08-08 12:12|| Front Page Top

#12 We're back to Covid roundups?

If we weren't so concerned with a humanity ending pandemic and preventative measures supported by government assistance, more might realize how stupid the democratic intervention in EVERYTHING is.

Posted by Skidmark 2021-08-08 17:26|| 2021-08-08 17:26|| Front Page Top

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