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2008-08-07 Iraq
McCain says Obama wants to forfeit the war in Iraq
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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-08-07 15:06|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ]  Top

#1 Well, duh. The Democrats did the same thing to South Vietnam after Nixon...it was more important that Nixon have nothing positive associated with him than the entire nation of South Vietnam not fall to communism.
Posted by gromky 2008-08-07 15:20||   2008-08-07 15:20|| Front Page Top

#2 Surrender, appease, retreat.

The dhimocrat motto...
Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-07 15:45||   2008-08-07 15:45|| Front Page Top

#3 That sounds better in the original French Darth, but alas as Obama is ashamed to say, too few Americans can speak French fluently.
Posted by lotp 2008-08-07 15:47||   2008-08-07 15:47|| Front Page Top

#4 No hablo Frencho.
Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-07 16:20||   2008-08-07 16:20|| Front Page Top

#5 I didn't know surrender was a french trait - yet an another cliché from the WWII mindtrap.
Like tonton adolf said in 1942, two years after the supposedly inbred-surrendering of the CESM, "You have heard, gentlemen, what Koch recounts. It is a new proof of the thesis I've always supported; namely, that French are still, after us, the best soldiers in Europe. France will always have the possibility, even with its current birthrate, to raise a hundred divisions. We will definitely, after this war, have to set up a coalition able to military control a country capable of such impressive military feats."
Posted by anonymous5089 2008-08-07 16:26||   2008-08-07 16:26|| Front Page Top

#6 anon5089, I apologize. You're right to call me on that one.

I can only plead simmering anger from an experience a few days ago in Provence in which a tour guide made condescending mockery of Americans to a bus load of ... mainly Americans.

And insisted that this wasn't anti-Americanism, oh no, it was just that we are so funny in what she was sure was our ignorance and in our annoying way of pronouncing our own language -- which she illustrated by holding her nose and making offensive sounds.

You do not deserve to be lumped in with her or with the continentals in the group who shared her puzzlement that I would be offended -- not to mention that I had the audacity/bad manners to protest her mockery, loudly.

It poisoned a long-postponed and much needed vacation. I hadn't wanted to be on the tour but we joined at the last moment after private arrangements for the day fell through.

And yes, I've met some fine French soldiers. No comment on your political leadership and the poisonous antiAmericanism of the Enarchists tho.
Posted by lotp 2008-08-07 16:58||   2008-08-07 16:58|| Front Page Top

#7 And no - I don't hang around Provence or the rest of Europe very often. Mr. Lotp and I desperately needed a chance to rest after the last several years during which we buried 3 parents, brought home an adult child who has developed a disabling medical condition and were saddened by the recent vehicular homicide of an about-to-be inlaw and the suicide of a friend and colleague.

An cruise opportunity became available and we took it. Could've been to the middle of the Atlantic and back and it would have served the purpose but it happened to be in the western Mediterranean.

We did in fact relax a bit and enjoy our time together until the 2nd last day when we made the mistake of going ashore and ended up on that bus. I hate it when stereotypes get confirmed that way. But then I encountered the same attitude back in the 90s when I dealt with French and German companies my employer had bought.
Posted by lotp 2008-08-07 18:06||   2008-08-07 18:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Anon5089,
Also includes the retreat from Algeria where you guys had essentially won. The FLN celebrated by killing anyone who had co-operated with the French and many settlers who had lived there for generations.

In fact the FLN even killed Algerians who wanted independence but weren't members of the FLN.

This is what I believe Obama wants to bring about in Iraq: A massive bloodbath where anyone who isn't an Islamist is targeted. This is worse than a defeat. It is betrayal of America and a betrayal of all the Iraqis (and others) who have risked their lives to fight Islamic gangsterism.

Posted by Frozen Al 2008-08-07 18:11||   2008-08-07 18:11|| Front Page Top

#9 Or better yet: To snatch Defeat from the jaws of Victory.
Posted by CrazyFool 2008-08-07 18:29||   2008-08-07 18:29|| Front Page Top

#10 Exactly right, Frozen Al.
Posted by Hupiling the Galactic Hero1106 2008-08-07 19:00||   2008-08-07 19:00|| Front Page Top

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