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2005-08-05 Britain

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Posted by Steve White 2005-08-05 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Sigh. Though much of this rocks, his decadence argument as reason (and subtle justification) of jihadism is specious. Believing Britain to be decadent is a reason to leave, perhaps, but not to kill innocent people (the "fanatics") or despair (the "co-religionists") and either do nothing or play the resource pool part of the jihadi scenario.

If you want to undo some of the ultra-liberal stupidity, that would be a welcome thing, please do. If you want to blame the ills of your society on this "moral decline" and "ugly brutishness", go for it, knock yourself out.

BUT, just as a thug or thief or murderer is responsible for his or her own actions, social inanity notwithstanding, so are jihadis and splodeydopes responsible for their actions... as are those who help them in any way - they are accessories to a crime without any means or hope of redemption.

Deal with your football hooligans if you must, but deal with the hate-spewing imams and their followers, who send toolfools off to become trained jihadis and create support networks of "neutral" Muzzies to facilitate them, NOW.

Just my unhappy take.

Posted by .com 2005-08-05 02:03|| 2005-08-05 02:03|| Front Page Top

#2 Didn't someone say the same thing about the US just after 9/11? I didn't hear the No.2 Al Qaeda guy mention anything about decadence in his recent DVD release. Is this what Mr Hayes is talking about?

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-05 02:26|| 2005-08-05 02:26|| Front Page Top

#3 It is the Spectator, after all. I'm surprised the writer didn't slip in something about how all this decadence is somehow America's fault.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-05 07:24|| 2005-08-05 07:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Or Dubya's fault, TW. I'm like .com on this one. The one area I agree with Muslims is the decadence and unbridled debauchary that takes place in the U.S. As a Christian, I stand with them (Muslims) any time they want to fight against abortion, gay "rights/marriage", the worship of the almighty dollar, heck, even stem cell research! BUT, we must do it within the confines of "the system" and with common sense. Going out and killing as many infidels as possible will not solve any of these issues.

Posted by BA 2005-08-05 08:49|| 2005-08-05 08:49|| Front Page Top

#5 jeese, BA, when I go to church I can only hope I hear more about faith, hope, charity, forgiveness and why it is important for me to take the high road. Somehow I don't recall Christ screeching about the evils of gays, stem cell research and abortion.

IMHO, that's the problem with Christianity today - the abuse of the pupit to achieve political, not spiritual goals.

Posted by 2b 2005-08-05 09:10|| 2005-08-05 09:10|| Front Page Top

#6 BA, one difference is that Christians opposed to those things won't be out at the nudie bars the night before their "protest".

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-08-05 09:12|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-08-05 09:12|| Front Page Top

#7 'Tis true, RC. And, I somewhat agree with you 2b. We should follow the example of Christ. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't speak out against issues that His Holy Word speaks to as sin. So many people are looking for the mythical 100% "loving" God, that they fail to see that His judgement will one day come a knockin'. It's the whole "love the sinner/hate the sin" issue. Yes, Christ was very compassionate/loving to the person who was sinning, but would also rebuke them firmly to "go and sin no more."

Posted by BA 2005-08-05 09:18|| 2005-08-05 09:18|| Front Page Top

#8 ok, fair enough.

Posted by 2b 2005-08-05 09:20|| 2005-08-05 09:20|| Front Page Top

#9 I'll second Dot's comments and add one thing.

I don't think our moral decadence is the cause of these attacks (if that is the case then are not jihadis employing an uber-tough-love "this bomb hurts me more than it hurts you" discipline to call us to our senses?), but it is surely our greatest impediment in mustering the courage to deal with them.

Posted by Dreadnought 2005-08-05 11:54|| 2005-08-05 11:54|| Front Page Top

#10 .com is the bomb...

Posted by Kent Mccord 2005-08-05 14:44|| 2005-08-05 14:44|| Front Page Top

#11 I don't think, .com, that you are reading the article right: The moderate muslim, if he/she exists, would be mainly concerned with the Moral, rather than the political, aspects of Islam. The muslims this guy is talking about may not believe in militant Islam enough to physically attack the patently decadent society around him, but doesn't see any point in coming to the defense of a society today that yesterday derided, ridiculed, and cursed them for being religious bigots and busybodies, and worked to undermine the morals they were trying to instill in their youth the day before that. This guy is NOT justifying Jihadist behavior, which is inherently unjustifiable: he is explaining moderate Muslim inaction to help a system that they view works against them in the moral arena.

I would never attack a liberal or an ACLU lawyer, but I wouldn't feel obligated to cross the street to lend a hand if I saw them getting mugged by the guys they sprang from jail or blown to shreds by terrorists that they sprung from Gitmo. While I would not hurt any man, there are some people I would refuse to help because they would use that help to get into a position to destroy what I hold dear: Jesus, in the Sermon on the Mount, warned against throwing your pearls before swine who would respond by attacking you despite your generosity.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2005-08-05 23:16|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2005-08-05 23:16|| Front Page Top

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