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2006-08-03 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Flashback 3,500 Years: Israel Battles South Lebanon
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Posted by Spavigum Glinens9851 2006-08-03 00:25|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Interesting. Any idea why 'giants', i.e. who the giants were? Not Arabs because they were still fondling camels in the Arabian desert.
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2006-08-03 07:21|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2006-08-03 07:21|| Front Page Top

#2 If you go WAAAAAY back, it was probably a lot more common to have giants back then. According to Biblical accounts, Goliath (of David & Goliath fame) stood around 9 feet tall. Real Old Testament passages state that people often lived to be several hundred years old. Not sure exactly who these giants' descendants would be today, but they probably came from somewhere in Iraq would be my (non-scientific) guess. Of course, if you go back to the beginning (or almost the beginning) of the Bible, this whole Arab vs. Jew thing started because of squabbles between Isaac (the one God favored) and his stepbrother Ishmael (predecessor of the Arabs basically), whom the Bible calls a wild man and said would war against his brother (and their descendants, the Jews) for almost eternity. The Muslims (in the Koran) changed the God-favored son to be Ishmael (of course), whereas the Torah and the Bible both say it was Isaac (Abraham's son by his wife, Sarai or Sarah). Ishmael was an illegitimate step-son of Abraham by Sarai's maid, Hagar. So, you see, it's all an internal family squabble blown up exponentially.
Posted by BA 2006-08-03 08:29||   2006-08-03 08:29|| Front Page Top

#3 Giants are thought to be descendents of the Nephilim, rebellious angels who interbred with human women in Genesis 6. This brought on the destruction of the world by the Flood. Somewhere, one of the giants is said to have six toes....my 6' sister-in-law had her's surgically removed as a baby! Actually, the problems today in Israel are because the Israelites disobeyed God's command to destroy the inhabitants and not intermarry with them....it's a curse. Time for Israel to finish the job, I think.
Here's more info on the word translated as 'giants:

(1.) Heb. nephilim, meaning “violent” or “causing to fall” (Gen. 6:4). These were the violent tyrants of those days, those who fell upon others. The word may also be derived from a root signifying “wonder,” and hence “monsters” or “prodigies.” In Num. 13:33 this name is given to a Canaanitish tribe, a race of large stature, “the sons of Anak.” The Revised Version, in these passages, simply transliterates the original, and reads “Nephilim.”

(2.) Heb. rephaim, a race of giants (Deut. 3:11) who lived on the east of Jordan, from whom was descended. They were probably the original inhabitants of the land before the immigration of the Canaanites. They were conquered by Chedorlaomer (Gen. 14:5), and their territories were promised as a possession to Abraham (Gen. 15:20). The Anakim, Zuzim, and Emim were branches of this stock.
In Job 26:5 (R.V., “they that are deceased;” marg., “the shades,” the “Rephaim”) and Isa. 14:9 this Hebrew word is rendered (A.V.) “dead.” It means here “the shades,” the departed spirits in Sheol. In 2 Sam. 21:16, 18, 20, 33, “the giant” is (A.V.) the rendering of the singular form ha raphah, which may possibly be the name of the father of the four giants referred to here, or of the founder of the Rephaim. The Vulgate here reads “Arapha,” whence Milton (in Samson Agonistes) has borrowed the name “Harapha.” (See also 1 Chron. 20:5, 6, 8; Deut. 2:11, 20; 3:13; Josh. 15:8, etc., where the word is similarly rendered “giant.”) It is rendered “dead” in (A.V.) Ps. 88:10; Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16: in all these places the Revised Version marg. has “the shades.” (See also Isa. 26:14.)

(3.) Heb. 'Anakim (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21; Josh. 11:21, 22; 14:12, 15; called “sons of Anak,” Num. 13:33; “children of Anak,” Num. 13:22; Josh. 15:14), a nomad race of giants descended from Arba (Josh. 14:15), the father of Anak, that dwelt in the south of Palestine near Hebron (Gen. 23:2; Josh. 15:13). They were a Cushite tribe of the same race as the Philistines and the Egyptian shepherd kings. David on several occasions encountered them (2 Sam. 21:15-22). From this race sprung Goliath (1 Sam. 17:4).

(4.) Heb. 'emin, a warlike tribe of the ancient Canaanites. They were “great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims” (Gen. 14:5; Deut. 2:10, 11).

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Posted by Danielle 2006-08-03 12:05||   2006-08-03 12:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Wow, Danielle. Read the Old Testament a LOT in your free time? I'm impressed.
Posted by BA 2006-08-03 12:31||   2006-08-03 12:31|| Front Page Top

#5 Of Course.... If those giants remained to this day, Lebanon would have one heckuv-an Olympic Basketball team...
Posted by BigEd 2006-08-03 12:45||   2006-08-03 12:45|| Front Page Top

#6 Interesting side point: Goliath was a Gittite, i.e., he was from Gath. Sometimes called Gath-Hepher. Gues where it is today? That's right. Gaza City.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-08-03 15:10||   2006-08-03 15:10|| Front Page Top

#7 Another course I'm auditing at Rantburg U!
Posted by Sherry 2006-08-03 16:49||   2006-08-03 16:49|| Front Page Top

#8 I have read the Old testament a bit, but I have a good memory and great software at my finger tips.
Posted by Danielle 2006-08-03 16:52||   2006-08-03 16:52|| Front Page Top

#9 "finger tips"

Five right, not six?
Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-03 16:55||   2006-08-03 16:55|| Front Page Top

#10 I hope Danielle has only 5 fingers. Would be hard to get a date with six, wouldn't it?

1 Chronicles 20:5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.
1 Chronicles 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.
Posted by Spavigum Glinens9851 2006-08-03 18:43||   2006-08-03 18:43|| Front Page Top

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