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2005-07-26 Britain

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Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-07-26 13:54|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Bugger. Forgot to add back the 'S' at the beginning of the quote.

I'm sure someone will think his last comments, about the Muslims working against the violence, is contrary to my position. It's not. I've always acknowledged the existence of the few.

I just don't think they amount to enough to make a difference.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-26 14:03|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-26 14:03|| Front Page Top

#2 Don't forget the Northern Alliance . . . the Iraqi police . . . the Kurdish Pershmerga . . . the Iraqi bloggers . . . Mohammed Odeh al-Rehaief, who helped in the rescue of Jessica Lynch . . . the Afghans who helped that wounded SEAL . . .

Look, I understand the frustration at the lack of visible support for the war among Moslems living in the West. I also think it fair to ask if mainstream Islam is truly a religion of peace, or just Wahabbism with a veneer of civilization. But let us not forget that there are thousands, if not millions, of Moslem friendlies, some of whom are risking a lot more every day than most of us just to be on our side. We owe those people something a little better than to trash all Moslems categorically--often in the same way that the moonbats trash "the Jews" and "the neocons."

Posted by Mike 2005-07-26 14:24|| 2005-07-26 14:24|| Front Page Top

#3 One key to understanding is that you can legitimately critique, even to some extent trash, Islam while praising individual moslems.

Repeat this over and over:

Most victims of Islam are moslems.
Most victims of Islam are moslems.

Posted by mhw 2005-07-26 14:32|| 2005-07-26 14:32|| Front Page Top

#4 But let us not forget that there are thousands, if not millions, of Moslem friendlies, some of whom are risking a lot more every day than most of us just to be on our side.

Certainly. They're what -- 5%?

How many people showed up for the Free Muslims Against Terror march?

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-26 14:40|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-26 14:40|| Front Page Top

#5 Most victims of Islam are moslems.
Most victims of Islam are moslems.

This is what makes the silence of the masses of Muslims so frustrating.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-26 14:49|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-26 14:49|| Front Page Top

#6 Interesting notion, here. He seems to be saying that WE have concocted the existence of a "moderate" muslim middle. And we wait, expectantly, for them to rise up and take back their religion. But they don't. Not after 9/11, 3/11, 7/7. Because there is, in fact, no such thing as the "moderate" muslim group. WE've created the myth.

Sure, there are muslim mouthpieces, who decry the violence (always with a "But you need to understand where it comes from"). ... But 1. these mouthpieces are not furious about the violence, as they should be and 2. they don't seem to speak for their coreligionists.

So I'm really not sure there is a moderate muslim wing -- at least not as we would be "moderates" in the west (think of "the silent majority" who became anything BUT silent, reacting to the status quo vocally and with passion).

There's no evidence they are appalled at all by these events. Perhaps the muslim masses are, in fact, not "moderate" but "secretly-supportive-muslims-who-do-not-blow themselves-up." The idea that they are troubled by violence in their name isn't a factor. Because they're not.

Which means that appealing to them to "take back their religion" is a pointless exercise.

Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan 2005-07-26 16:05|| 2005-07-26 16:05|| Front Page Top

#7 I'll know a "moderate" Moslem when I meet one who openly rejects taqiya, jihad, and sharia -- and who acknowledges Israel's unconditional right to existence.

Whether such a person would still be a Moslem is the question.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-26 16:59|| 2005-07-26 16:59|| Front Page Top

#8 This is where the fact that Islam *spit* is an all-encompassing ideology, a prepackaged social and political system, rather than a religious belief system, comes into stark relief and seals its eventual fate, IMHO. Oh, and did I mention it's based upon world dominion and the petty hatreds and personal ticks of a truly dysfunctional merchant from an ancient Moon God worshipping era? My bad.

But I don't have any strong opinions based on experience, of course. I believe in the MSM / Alladin / CAIR version. They're really swell. Just ask anyone who ~~works~~ worked in the WTC. They'll certainly buy into the nuances needed to sustain the storyline.

I already have a mantra, mhw, thanks.

Posted by .com 2005-07-26 17:32|| 2005-07-26 17:32|| Front Page Top

#9 Damn, I do hope you are wrong .com. I hope the answer to be obvious one way or the other within 10 years, I've got 1 kid that will need to be prepared, one way or the other.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-26 18:26|| 2005-07-26 18:26|| Front Page Top