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2005-07-20 Africa: North

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Posted by ed 2005-07-20 11:38|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Well, looks like the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Something to keep in mind next time some splodeydope's parent is interviewed post-atrocity and claims their kid was a "decent sort driven to extremes by the opressive West" or some other such BS.

Posted by docob 2005-07-20 12:02|| 2005-07-20 12:02|| Front Page Top

#2 I believe the correct term is, "mobile self demolition experts", splodeydopes is old hat, although I still prefer splodeydopes.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-07-20 12:22|| 2005-07-20 12:22|| Front Page Top

#3 This guy should have an accident.

Posted by Neutron Tom 2005-07-20 12:27|| 2005-07-20 12:27|| Front Page Top

#4 The question is how representative is he of the "average" muslim? What is the percentage of muslims that feel this way really? Does the percentage vary by region? I think these are the real questions we have to get answers to in order to understand what we are facing. My gut says the is a bit wackier than most, but not much. I just want some sort of evidence of that.

Posted by remoteman 2005-07-20 12:31|| 2005-07-20 12:31|| Front Page Top

#5 Atta's daddy-boy pimp will always be full of grief... I wouldn't expect him to ever spout anything resembling logic or responsible parenting much-less responsible behavior. He was showered will affection, respect, attention and material gifts after his boy-pimp got drugged and drunk-up to prepare his way to sit and play cards with Satan in the after-life.

Posted by Snemp Glaique9693 2005-07-20 12:34|| 2005-07-20 12:34|| Front Page Top

#6 Mohammed Sr is merely repeating what he hears at the mosque every Friday. What he reads in the local newspaper every day.

There is no such thing as a moderate Moslem. Either one is a Moslem, or one is not. There is no middle ground. According to Islamic Law, moderation is a form of apostasy, punished by death according to the example set by Mohammed-the-pedophile. (I've posted an article earlier today, linking to statements of a UK-based Islamofascist who makes that exact point.)

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-20 12:44|| 2005-07-20 12:44|| Front Page Top

Mohamed el-Amir

As I said... Look into the face of evil....

Posted by BigEd 2005-07-20 14:03|| 2005-07-20 14:03|| Front Page Top

#8 Look my son the martyr I am so proud of him...he is with the 74 virgins and I am planning on joining him soon....Nobber how wrong you are

Posted by Nockeyes Nilberforce 2005-07-20 14:42|| 2005-07-20 14:42|| Front Page Top

#9 This is the guy who claimed his son was a patsy and wasn't invovled in 9/11. What a tool.

Posted by rjschwarz 2005-07-20 14:42|| 2005-07-20 14:42|| Front Page Top

#10 I thought he claimed his son wasn't in on the plot and if he was in on the plot he was a dupe of the MOSSAD because no muzzie man would do such a terrible thing act, even though it was a good thing.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-20 15:10|| 2005-07-20 15:10|| Front Page Top

#11 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Matthew 7:16

Posted by Secret Master 2005-07-20 15:32|| 2005-07-20 15:32|| Front Page Top

#12 Me thinks the fruit does not fall too far from the tree.

Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-07-20 17:21|| 2005-07-20 17:21|| Front Page Top

#13

There is no such thing as a moderate Moslem. Either one is a Moslem, or one is not. There is no middle ground. According to Islamic Law, moderation is a form of apostasy, punished by death according to the example set by Mohammed-the-pedophile. (I've posted an article earlier today, linking to statements of a UK-based Islamofascist who makes that exact point.)

Well, then how does one classify the civilians in Iraq who are killed in various suicide bombings and other terrorist action every week? Are you going to say that they're the "bad" moslems?

I don't think anyone here can say that the kids blown up in the bombing last week didn't say their prayers every day and trudge off to Sunday, er, Friday School (or whatever the equivalent is) every weekend.

Saying those particular deaths don't matter, or count, puts one in the same belief system as the previously mentioned mullah who thinks the whole situation is crusaders vs. moslems. Or the stalinist mayors in the West who ignore the Iraqi civilian deaths at the hands of the terrorists as well.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-07-20 18:30|| http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]">[http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2005-07-20 18:30|| Front Page Top

#14 So, if this guy is in the phonebook I'd be happy to pay him a short visit next time I'm in Cairo.

EP

Posted by ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding 2005-07-20 18:49|| 2005-07-20 18:49|| Front Page Top

#15 What's your point, PF? Kids may go to mosque, church, temple or the river -- that doesn't make them authorities on the meaning and purpose of a given religion.

According to Moslem scripture and tradition, there is no such thing as a moderate Moslem -- it's taqiya, jihad, and sharia for everybody, as well as death to all apostates! They even have an apostasy rule for kids: throw them in jail until they're 18, then ask them if they will submit to the moon-god, else kill them.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-20 21:26|| 2005-07-20 21:26|| Front Page Top

#16 As for the Iraqis who are killed by the terrorists, you should pay attention to their words: they justify their action by stating that the dead were apostates.

Al-Zarqawi thinks all Shiites are apostates.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-20 21:29|| 2005-07-20 21:29|| Front Page Top

#17 Sorry Kalle, but PF is right. Muslims come in all shades, like Christians. We can agree on the problematic nature of Islam as such but a large majority of Muslims are not jihadis, are peaceful and just want a career and a family life like we all do. A lot are certainly in denial of the true nature of Islam, but they don't live in the 7th century.

There would have been no point in liberating Iraq if we thought that all were alike.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-20 21:39|| 2005-07-20 21:39|| Front Page Top

#18 TGA, I wish you were right.

IF YOU ARE RIGHT, then please show me the massive numbers of "moderate" Moslems who denounce and hunt down the "extremists" in their midst.

I sure don't see that. And my current hypothesis is that these mythical "moderates" are hostage to the immoderate nature of Islam.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-20 22:07|| 2005-07-20 22:07|| Front Page Top

#19 To hark back to my earliest impresson after 9/11... The entire family of anyone involved in that and subsequent attacks should be exterminated. Harsh, but maybe it would get the message across.

Posted by DanNY 2005-07-20 22:16|| 2005-07-20 22:16|| Front Page Top

#20 Radical cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed warned today (London Times) on a new website that the July 7 bombings âare not the first and will not be the lastâ. His site blames the Government, the British people and moderate Muslims for the atrocities.

NOW where are the "moderate" Moslems who will loudly denounce him, and then demand that he be tried and jailed, or executed? where?

All surveys across the Moslem world show massive support for Bin Laden. Why is that? is he a "moderate"?

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-20 22:29|| 2005-07-20 22:29|| Front Page Top

#21

According to Moslem scripture and tradition, there is no such thing as a moderate Moslem -- it's taqiya, jihad, and sharia for everybody, as well as death to all apostates! They even have an apostasy rule for kids: throw them in jail until they're 18, then ask them if they will submit to the moon-god, else kill them.

You're assuming that the people shooting at us are right and correct in their interpretation of Moslem tradition, and that those Moslems who the people shooting at us are also killing in much larger number than they are our troops are de facto wrong in their interpretation of the Koran.

I think this is probably a Bad Idea and unuseful to boot.

People like Zarqawi understand that there's an ideological struggle within Islam; that's why they spend so much time blowing other Moslems up, and characterizing their victims as not really being Moslem at all.

You're spreading their propaganda.

IF YOU ARE RIGHT, then please show me the massive numbers of "moderate" Moslems who denounce and hunt down the "extremists" in their midst.

Well, there's an entire TV show dedicated to the exploits of the Wolf Battallion. There's also "Terrorists in the Grip of Justice," which probably isn't what you're looking for, but doesn't really sound to me like it's made by someone who sympathizes with Zarqawi and Bin Laden and their ilk.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-07-20 22:31|| 2005-07-20 22:31|| Front Page Top

#22 I like what I've hard about these two Iraqi TV shows. What about Moslems in the West? what do the "moderates" among them say and do in public?

BTW I am not assuming that Islamofascists are true to Islam. I'm listening to them, I've read the Koran, and I watch as nobody ever makes an argument based on the Koran against them. Lots of hand-waving, yes. But no argument based on reason, their tradition, or their scripture. None.

The moderate Moslem? It's been an illusion, so far. How much longer shall we hope?

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-20 22:37|| 2005-07-20 22:37|| Front Page Top

#23 I just checked. It seems I counted the same TV show twice, and the title is "Terrorism in the Grip of Justice," not "Terrorists in the Grip of Justice."

So Iraq, which has lots of Moslems, is the good news.

(The bad news, IMHO, are guys like Red Ken, and the PIRA and FARC guys who seem to have found common cause with Zarqawi, despite not being Moslem.)

And Pakistan didn't get its nuclear bomb technology from a Moslem nation.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-07-20 22:39|| 2005-07-20 22:39|| Front Page Top

#24 More on Bakri's new website: The site carried a picture of the wreckage of the No 30 bus in Tavistock Square and condemned the fatwa against suicide bombs signed by 500 imams as âclear blasphemy against Islamâ.

Blasphemy entails death punishment under Islamic Law.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-20 22:42|| 2005-07-20 22:42|| Front Page Top

#25 Sounds like he sure the heck believes in "Moderate Islam," even if he calls it blasphemy.

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