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2011-07-26 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by ryuge 2011-07-26 00:25|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 ION CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > NORWAY SUSPECT SAYS HE WANTED EUROPEAN ANTI-MUSLIM CRUSADE.

CMF POSTER = GERMANY [Nordics?] SHOULD HAVE STUDIED THE CHINESE EPXERIENCE FIRST. They would had learned that TURKS = ETHNIC MUSLIMS/MUSLIM MAJORITY cannot be tamed or integrated, + can only be destroyed in war or else otherwise forced to leave = emigrate en masse???

* PEOPLE'S DAILY FORUM > NORWAY: EUROPE'S RIGHT-WING TERRORISM SIGNALS END OF TOLERANCE.

* SAME > NORWAY ATTACKS: RISE OF THE RADICAL RIGHT? | [Europe]WE CAN NO LONGER IGNORE THE FAR RIGHT THREAT.

* SAME > NORWAY ATTACK: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISM IS BACK; US, EUROPE "HOMEGROWN".

* SAME > NORWAY'S "OKLAHOMA CITY" MOMENT + US ATTACKS COINCIDENTAL?

* SAME > NORWAY KILLER WANTS TO WEAR [military-style]UNIFORM, LAWYER CLAIMS, besides also to explain Himself + Motives in an OPEN PUBLIC TRIAL.

* NEWS KERALA > OSLO KILLER WARNS OF MORE ATTACKS, SENT TO SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.

Breivik warns there are TWO MORE CELLS IN HIS ORG, THE "NEW KNIGHTS TEMPLAR".

Will say it again - Iff "PEARL HARBOR" was Hollywood's + DemoLeft's quiet or subtle, PCOrrect-Deniable, post-Reagan post-SOviet/USSR/Cold War "declaration of war" agz the US + GOP-Right, "NORWAY" [Oslo-Utoya Isle] MAY BE ITS OPEN OR OVERT DECLARATION OF WAR AGZ SAME.

Its Commie "PURGE TIME", or CATALYST THEREFOREIN, i.e. the Commies desire to begin the elimination of Fascists = FASCISTS-FOR-COMMUNISTS from the OWG-NWO Socialist ranks, the "GLOBAL" SOCIALISTS to get rid of the "NATIONAL" SOCIALISTS???

Unfortunately for the Left, still leaves NUKE-, JIHAD-HAPPY RADICAL ISLAM = GOD/FAITH-BASED SOCIALISTS = THEO-SOCIALISTS + OTHER "BLACK"
"FASCIST" ASYMMETRIC COVERT GROUPS for the Secular Commies to deal with.

FASCISM = DEMOCAPITALIST USA = VERY DIFFICULT TO DEFEAT OR DESTROY EXTERNALLY, 'TIS MORE EASIER OR EXPEDITIOUS TO DO SO FROM WITHIN, ee COMMIES-FOR-FASCISM-FOR-COMMUNISM.

ARISE, "GLOBAL" MARX + LENIN + STALIN, ARISE.

*1990's NET = SEND THE MESSAGE TO GORBACHEV: WE HAVE DONE IT, THE MESSAGE IS "TORA-TORA-TORA"!

Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-07-26 01:06|| 2011-07-26 01:06|| Front Page Top

#2 IT BEGINS!!

Posted by gromky 2011-07-26 04:24|| 2011-07-26 04:24|| Front Page Top

#3 But people like Robert Spencer or Bruce Bawer are no more responsible for Breviks actions than the Beatles were for the grisly murders carried out by Charles Manson, who said he had been inspired by their music.

That was a long time ago. I'm sure no one at the Times was even alive then. Besides, it wouldn't fit their narrative.

Posted by Bobby 2011-07-26 06:32|| 2011-07-26 06:32|| Front Page Top

#4 Shane and NYTs, once again meeting its agenda.

Posted by JohnQC 2011-07-26 08:12|| 2011-07-26 08:12|| Front Page Top

#5 You're making it very very easy to blame rightwingers for this: same way that cheering Palestinians made it easy to blame Muslims as a whole for this.

Glenn Beck just compared the victims to the Hitler Youth. Here in Rantburg, several commentators blamed the victims as well. Even ignoring the members that were so openly disgusting that they got condemned by the rest of you, several others' response was only to claim the Left are monsters (that they'd be supposedly cheering for joy at the news, that they are effectively monsters that need be destroyed, that the LEFT has launched a war).

Much as the hours after 9/11/2001 wouldn't be a good time to claim Americans are monsters -- as it would be seen as an indirect endorsements of the 9/11 murders; this wasn't a good time to launch accusations against "multiculturalists". Not when someone just murdered the "multiculturalists"' children by the dozens.

So, WHY are you making it so easy for the world to believe you all evil supporters of child-murderers?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 09:41|| 2011-07-26 09:41|| Front Page Top

#6 First paragraph was supposed to say "same way that cheering Palestinians made it easy to blame Muslims as a whole for 9/11"

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 09:42|| 2011-07-26 09:42|| Front Page Top

#7 Hey Aris is back.

Posted by gr(o)mgoru 2011-07-26 09:55|| 2011-07-26 09:55|| Front Page Top

#8 Don't worry, gr(o)mgoru, I'm sure I'll be banned in a sec, like all the previous times.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 10:10|| 2011-07-26 10:10|| Front Page Top

#9 So, WHY are you making it so easy for the world to believe you all evil supporters of child-murderers?

Because we're evil: rightwingers & Jews, and even rightwing Jews; Aris.

Posted by gr(o)mgoru 2011-07-26 10:10|| 2011-07-26 10:10|| Front Page Top

#10 I admire your bravery, Aris.

Posted by gr(o)mgoru 2011-07-26 10:11|| 2011-07-26 10:11|| Front Page Top

#11 I don't much admire your sarcasm.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 10:18|| 2011-07-26 10:18|| Front Page Top

#12 Much as the hours after 9/11/2001 wouldn't be a good time to claim Americans are monsters -- as it would be seen as an indirect endorsements of the 9/11 murders;

yes, those joyous demonstration and celebrations televised of the Palestinians was just a collective mass illusion.

Posted by Procopius2k 2011-07-26 10:18|| 2011-07-26 10:18|| Front Page Top

#13 @Aris
When left radicals like the German RAF or the Italian Brigate Rosse started bombing and killing, some people were rather quick to blame the "left wing" ideology of Adorno and Marcuse, for example.

We certainly shouldn't repeat the strategy. European cities have no problems with Muslims, they have problems with people from Muslimic countries who refuse to integrate, who insist in living exactly like they lived back home in rural Anatolia (they still want the modern social benefits, of course).

This is a problem, and we are entitled to pint them out without being afraid that a totally deranged Norwegian mass murderer would use arguments as they suit him to murder... err Norwegians.

I find that certain blogs hyperventilate when it comes to the "Islamic danger". Rantburg is not one of them.

PS: Just in case, please don't delete Aris. I'm very willing to debate with him.

Posted by European Conservative 2011-07-26 10:24|| 2011-07-26 10:24|| Front Page Top

#14 American lefties are pushing the "Christian fundamentalist" claptrap and the Moslems are righteously indignant that the guy did what Moslems are noted for doing.

A Nazi is a Nazi. This guy is a Nazi, right down to the love of ornate uniforms and "Europe for the Euros."

Posted by Fred 2011-07-26 10:24|| 2011-07-26 10:24|| Front Page Top

#15 Procopius2k, I don't know how you managed to quote my post without even reading its first sentence which mentions those cheering Palestinians; whose existence I emphasized but you seem to somehow think I denied.

I gave it *explicitly* as an example of the behaviour you don't want emulating -- and you somehow think I denied them.

Given such a failure, I have to wonder if you're a sentient organism, Procopius2K. Perhaps you're a not-yet-sufficiently advanced computer program that looks for keywords but can't yet comprehend human language?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 10:26|| 2011-07-26 10:26|| Front Page Top

#16 ... and I rather like having Aris around until he starts picking fights. It's good to have more than one opinion, it's bad to have stoopid flame wars.

Posted by Fred 2011-07-26 10:26|| 2011-07-26 10:26|| Front Page Top

#17 When we see reportage on the recent massacre in Norway that compares the killer to Israeli actions in Gaza, _it looks to us like nazi propaganda_.

Even while they use the 'N' word themselves.

From ABC News/Australia:

Eyewitness: Norwegian massacre 'like a Nazi movie':

"Some of my friends tried to stop him by talking to him. Many people think on the island that it was a test ... comparing it to how it is to live in Gaza. So many people went to him and tried to talk to him, but they were shot immediately." - Adrian Pracon

He can't even talk about a terrorist attack on his own people, by a rare real Nazi, without accusing Israel of terrorist attacks on Palestinians, in a week when the death toll from Syria's crackdown on _its_ population went past a thousand.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2011-07-26 10:28|| 2011-07-26 10:28|| Front Page Top

#18 Italics mine btw.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2011-07-26 10:29|| 2011-07-26 10:29|| Front Page Top

#19 @Procopius

from Wikipedia:

Annette Krüger Spitta of the ARD's (German public broadcasting) TV magazine Panorama states that footage not aired shows that the street surrounding the celebration in Jerusalem is quiet. Furthermore, she states that a man in a white T-shirt incited the children and gathered people together for the shot. The Panorama report, dated September 20, 2001, quotes Communications Professor Martin Löffelholz explaining that in the images one sees jubilant Palestinian children and several adults but there is no indication that their pleasure is related to the attack. The woman seen cheering (Nawal Abdel Fatah) stated afterwards that she was offered cake if she celebrated on camera, and was frightened when she saw the pictures on television afterward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks#Palestinian_celebrations

Posted by European Conservative 2011-07-26 10:29|| 2011-07-26 10:29|| Front Page Top

#20 And I'm off the net for the day.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2011-07-26 10:29|| 2011-07-26 10:29|| Front Page Top

#21 What sarcasm Aris? I, personaly, dance fandango every time a polar bear dies of heat prostation.

Posted by gr(o)mgoru 2011-07-26 10:45|| 2011-07-26 10:45|| Front Page Top

#22 European Conservative -- there's a phrase in Greek that roughly translates to "The Caesar's wife need not just BE honorable, but SEEM honorable".

Even if those specific cheering Palestinians were a fraud (I don't know) - many Palestinians' attitude towards previous attacks against civilians is what made it very very easy to accuse Palestinians as sympathetic or even openly supportive to the attacks.

Which is sort of my point. One shouldn't make it easy for other people to depict them as evil. Even if deep deep inside you know you aren't evil, knowing it yourselves is not enough. You ought also LOOK not evil.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 10:47|| 2011-07-26 10:47|| Front Page Top

#23 @Aris

"Glenn Beck just compared the victims to the Hitler Youth. Here in Rantburg, several commentators blamed the victims as well."

I haven't seen that footage but of course this is absolutely despicable. I have personally addressed one Rantburg commentator (with a generic nick) over that issue and I remember Steve White setting him straight, too.

NOBODY in his right mind would blame the victims.

Posted by European Conservative 2011-07-26 10:58|| 2011-07-26 10:58|| Front Page Top

#24 PS: Re jubilating Palestians... I have come not to trust TV images too much on anything

Posted by European Conservative 2011-07-26 11:00|| 2011-07-26 11:00|| Front Page Top

#25 The man is clearly crazy.

He's a nazi...National SOCIALIST.

He's not a right winger...nazis are far left wing totalitarian leftist.

Always remember when the lefties give the conservatives the fascist crap, Hitler was a socialist.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2011-07-26 11:17|| 2011-07-26 11:17|| Front Page Top

#26 EU, the para above your selected posting stipulates -

The demonstration did happen and was condemned by Arafat; the footage was current.[9]

As for Aris, it's simply posted to bring home visually the fact that there were those who indeed act in such a manner. You imply an intent that was not there. If you allow the broad brushing of a group for the actions or the excuses issued by a few, that principle applies to both sides.

Palestinian celebrations

The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) immediately condemned the attacks. Fox News reported that in Ein el-Hilweh, Lebanon's largest Palestinian refugee camp, revelers fired weapons in the air, with similar celebratory gunfire heard at the Rashidiyeh camp near the southern city of Tyre as well.[18]

Reports and images of Palestinians from East Jerusalem, Nablus, and Lebanon taking to the streets in celebration, were broadcast around the world.[18] with many newspapers, magazines, Web sites and wire services running photographs.[21][22] The PNA claimed such celebrations were not representative of the sentiments of the Palestinian people, and the Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said the PNA would not allow "a few kids" to "smear the real face of the Palestinians". In an attempt to quash further reporting, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat's Cabinet secretary, said the Palestinian Authority could not "guarantee the life" of an Associated Press (AP) cameraman if footage he filmed of post-9/11 celebrations in Nablus was broadcast. Rahman's statement prompted a formal protest from the AP bureau chief, Dan Perry.[23][22]

Posted by Procopius2k 2011-07-26 11:50|| 2011-07-26 11:50|| Front Page Top

#27 I can't speak to the Palestinians -- although it's even more disconcerting if the demonstrations were staged than if they were spontaneous -- but in Lackawanna, New York (home of the Lackawanna Six), my darling mother-in-law reported singing, dancing, and candy being handed out in the Yemeni section of town. They stopped when they noticed her watching, then resumed after she drove past. Other Rantburgers have reported seeing the same thing in Detroit. So whether or not the Palestinians staged it, others were indeed spontaneous in their celebrations.

But it was also members of the Lackawanna Muslim community who turned in the Six to the authorities, because they didn't accept the lads' jihad. I've seen things to indicate it was an imam at the mosque and the fathers of some of the Six, which speaks pretty strongly to the strength of their conviction. We've been following this growing argument within Islam for the past several years, here at Rantburg -- there is a battle of books between Dr. Ayman al Zawahiri and several former theologians of violent jihad who have come to rethink their former positions (Zawahiri is losing, in case you wondered) and another on being fought on YouTube...and of course much of what we know about the jihadis in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere comes from information shared by Muslim locals who disagree with the jihadis, for whatever reason.

Anybody who then accuses us of LOOKING evil because of what they assume us to be is too simpleminded to be worth arguing with, because he isn't interested in external reality. Have you gone to the news outlets to accuse them of bigotry because at first they all trumpeted the car bomb as a Muslim attack? Here at Rantburg we reminded ourselves to wait for the evidence before drawing conclusions about the perpetrator.

Mach' mal writer, European Conservative.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-07-26 11:52|| 2011-07-26 11:52|| Front Page Top

#28 Not writer, weiter. Autospell doesn't like unexpected foreign languges.

there's a phrase in Greek that roughly translates to "The Caesar's wife need not just BE honorable, but SEEM honorable".

About Mrs. Augustus Caesar, I believe. A woman who was was so steeped in perfidy that seeming honorable was all she had left. "Pure as Caesar's wife", as we say in English, has sadly never been a compliment.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-07-26 12:07|| 2011-07-26 12:07|| Front Page Top

#29 "Bill Clinton", you are arguing about the categories "left" or "right", same as someone else might argue for the categories blegg and rube.

You care about the category, because there is a disguised query behind your words: "Which group should feel ashamed for having him as part of them?" And having decided you don't want to feel ashamed for him, you decide he's not a right-winger.

Careful with that reasoning and with that hidden query! For though the words "left" and "right", "socialist" and "conservative" are fuzzy enough that you can assign everyone and everything to each of them, some words like "multi-culturalist" and "anti-multiculturalist" are slightly (slightly) more specific, and you won't be able to shove every monster into the *other* bin.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 12:13|| 2011-07-26 12:13|| Front Page Top

#30 Link was supposed to be: http://lesswrong.com/lw/nm/disguised_queries/

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 12:17|| 2011-07-26 12:17|| Front Page Top

#31 trailing wife:
"Here at Rantburg we reminded ourselves to wait for the evidence before drawing conclusions about the perpetrator."

Trailing wife, I've read that thread: http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=326737&D=2011-07-22&SO=&HC=1

It begins with everyone making fun of the very idea that it can be anyone other than Muslims. People mockingly blamed in turn "the Amish", the "Laplanders", "the Buddhists", "the Lutherans" -- talked about whether Norwegians will now play "vikings and muslims", etc, etc.

And someone openly mocked the idea that it might be a neonazi instead, by putting it in the mouth of Napolitano.

So: No, Rantburg certainly did not remind itself to wait for the evidence. Everyone in that thread mocked the very idea that it might be someone who wasn't a muslim. Don't rewrite history, please.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2011-07-26 12:27|| 2011-07-26 12:27|| Front Page Top

#32 Why does anyone read the NYT anymore, anyway? It stopped being reputable more than ten years ago.

Posted by newc 2011-07-26 12:31|| 2011-07-26 12:31|| Front Page Top

#33 Aris, radical Islamists immediately claimed credit for the attack. It was rational to believe them, since this is how they act. I did mention Norway was home to a kind of Nazi, but did not expect it to be socialists attacking other socialists; different flavors of Nazis, red on red.

Posted by Whiskey Mike 2011-07-26 12:35|| 2011-07-26 12:35|| Front Page Top

#34 Aris, the link you mean is this.

In which there is also

#7 However there is something denitely unlike known cases of Islamic terrorism: onlay tow dead, they usually try to kill far more people.
Posted by JFM 2011-07-22 12:20

And eighteen of the thirty-five posts were either reports of new information or links to information sources, at a time when all the major news outlets were talking about it being a jihadi attack, likely revenge for the imminent expulsion of Mullah Krekar. I misremembered acts of caution for words of caution, perhaps because that is how I explicitly framed the news on my Facebook page. My apologies.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-07-26 12:52|| 2011-07-26 12:52|| Front Page Top

#35 It begins with everyone making fun of the very idea that it can be anyone other than Muslims. People mockingly blamed in turn "the Amish", the "Laplanders", "the Buddhists", "the Lutherans"

This is probably one of those cultural jokes that loses something in translation. It is common practice here in the United States for news reports to omit certain details when the perpetrators are black or Muslim. Diminishing the self-esteem of minorities or reinforcing prejudices would be mean, I guess.

Also, as pointed out radical Islamists *did* take credit for the attack. Combine that with the historical data over the last decade ( roughly a thousand to one), and "Muslims" is a reasonable bet. But as always, facts get the last word. (like that will stop us from being snarky in the meantime!)

Posted by SteveS 2011-07-26 12:57|| 2011-07-26 12:57|| Front Page Top

#36 Well Aris, cards on the table:

When you first heard of the bombing in Oslo, what was YOUR first thought?

a) Norwegian Neonazi
b) Islamic Jihadi Group

You can't blame people for spontaneous reactions

Posted by European Conservative 2011-07-26 14:54|| 2011-07-26 14:54|| Front Page Top

#37

Hey Aris is back.

He's from such a successful country; we should all listen to his "wisdom".

Posted by Rob Crawford 2011-07-26 18:21|| 2011-07-26 18:21|| Front Page Top

#38

Everyone in that thread mocked the very idea that it might be someone who wasn't a muslim.

You know why?

BECAUSE WE HAVE BRAINS. WE CAN RECOGNIZE PATTERNS.

This event was an outlier. One case out of hundreds tracked here at Rantburg; the one time a herd of zebra stampeded by.

And YOU are the one trying to make political hay over it.

I think this guy should get a fair trial and, if found guilty, executed. Unlike the left, the right will never appoint him to a prestigious office, never offer him a pardon, never let him give commencement speeches, never march in the street declaring him a "political prisoner". We won't name streets after him, won't erect statues to him...

But apparently we're supposed to flagellate ourselves?

Posted by Rob Crawford 2011-07-26 18:35|| 2011-07-26 18:35|| Front Page Top

#39 As of this AM, the Norway Govt has formally downgraded the Oslo, Utoya death toll to 76 - 8 known dead in Oslo + 68 as per Utoya.

* BREIVIK'S LAWYER = claims that his Client is a "totally insane" Person whom took various drugs to stiffen or harden his resolve to commit these horrific acts, + that BREIVIK ALSO SOUGHT TO SPARK VIOLENT REVOLUTION = MAJOR RACE, CULTURE WAR THROUGHOUT EUROPE.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-07-26 19:30|| 2011-07-26 19:30|| Front Page Top

#40 NEWS KERALA > NORWAY KILLER COLD BE JAILED FOR ONLY 21 YEARS.

IIUC ARTIC = Norway CJ Sys has a histoire' of releasing or paroling hardened or violent criminals after serving a minima average of 14 years, albeit the same could legally be detained longer iff deemed to still be a threat to society.

* SAME > OSLO ATTACKER FEARED CREATION OF SEVERAL "MINI-PAKISTANS" ALL OVER EUROPE.

Islamist-Sharia Enclaves = autonomous?, espec towards Year 2083 which hallmarks the END/COLLAPSE OF ANY + ALL WHITE EUROPEAN GOVTS + BEGINNING OF A DE FACTO MUSLIM-DOMINATED EUROPE [Eurabia], GOVTS + ECONOMIES + NUCLEAR ARSENALS THEREIN???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-07-26 19:53|| 2011-07-26 19:53|| Front Page Top

#41 I see we have a~~ris~~ mosquito buzzing around - who left the window open?

Posted by Barbara 2011-07-26 20:11|| 2011-07-26 20:11|| Front Page Top

#42 Aris:
I am the one that mockingly put words into Janet Napolitano. At the time of my posting, Norwegian officials had named the attack 'Terrorism' and 'most certainly Muslim terror' in the Google translated link slightly higher. part of the snark in my post is that Napolitano and the 0bama regime in general had acted exactly as i depicted in other cases.

If there is someone seeking a narrative based on hoped-for appearances that do not necessarily fit reality i suggest you look first into a mirror before making such broad allegations here.

Posted by abu do you love 2011-07-26 21:09|| 2011-07-26 21:09|| Front Page Top

#43 save your breath, Abu

Posted by Frank G 2011-07-26 21:16|| 2011-07-26 21:16|| Front Page Top

#44 Which is sort of my point. One shouldn't make it easy for other people to depict them as evil. Even if deep deep inside you know you aren't evil, knowing it yourselves is not enough. You ought also LOOK not evil.

Two days afterwards, and the Greek wants to give us style tips.

Posted by Pappy 2011-07-26 21:27|| 2011-07-26 21:27|| Front Page Top

#45 restraint, Pappy

Posted by Frank G 2011-07-26 21:45|| 2011-07-26 21:45|| Front Page Top

#46 That Norwegian followed basically anything evil. Where from shall we assume he obtained his tactics?

Posted by newc 2011-07-26 22:57|| 2011-07-26 22:57|| Front Page Top

#47 Aris provides the counterpoint to the group-think that even Rantburgers can fall into. Reject his position, but know why his ideas are worthy of rejection, so that you will be prepared for the future. He is legion, and represents the unreflecting muddle of millions. Gird yourself with the knowledge of his failings, so that you can defeat him and them whenever necessary.

Posted by rammer 2011-07-26 23:14|| 2011-07-26 23:14|| Front Page Top

#48 CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > BREIVIK MANIFESTO: WHITE ARYANS TO WANT BROWN ARYANS AS SERVANTS ["Servant" under-class] + ANTI-MUSLIM ALLIES |NORWEGIAN MASS KILLER'S MANIFESTO HAILS HINDUTVA, i.e. Hindu [Ultra]Nationalist movements to help bring down MULTICULTURALIST = "CULTURAL MARXIST" GOVTS AROUND THE WORLD.

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > REPORT: NORWAY KILLER PRAISES [homogenous] JAPAN AS A "MODEL COUNTRY".

Hails Tokyo = Nippon for overtly supporting pluralism, innovation, + libertarianism while covertly seriously limiting foreign immigration into the country for the sake of promo national- ethnic identity.

* SAME > TERROR THREAT INCREASINGLY NULLIFIES [US-World] GROWTH. Upward Progessionism/
Progressivism.

Govts. all but forced to "spend, spend, spend" for security even when they don't want to.

IIUC ARTIC = MORE REASONS TO ENGAGE IN "IMPERIALISM" + "NATION BUILDING" IRREGARDLESS IFF TOTAL, MAJOR, OR LIMITED WAR.

To paraph GEN. DOUGLAS MACARTHUR = "TIMIDITY IN WAR IS THE EPITOME OF STUPIDITY/FOOLISHNESS".

FIGHT TO WIN, OR DON'T FIGHT AT ALL.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-07-26 23:37|| 2011-07-26 23:37|| Front Page Top

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