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2022-07-15 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Russian Perspective: Operation to Denazify Ukraine: Operational Brief July 14th (updated)

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Posted by badanov 2022-07-15 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top
File under: Tin Hat Dictators, Presidents for Life,

#1 Here's some denazification for you, Badonov. If you're in Ukraine, keep a watch over your shoulders:

"The Russian-appointed administrator of a small town in the Russian-occupied east of Ukraine’s Kharkiv region has been killed by a car bomb presumed to be the work of Ukrainian saboteurs, the regional occupation authorities said."https://t.co/NP96DS5eiN https://t.co/lllTnMCm0D
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) July 13, 2022

Kindly learn how to internet so I don't have to correct the display of your personal invective towards me

Posted by Flater Forkbeard8651 2022-07-15 11:26|| 2022-07-15 11:26|| Front Page Top

Posted by Flater Forkbeard8651 2022-07-15 12:15|| 2022-07-15 12:15|| Front Page Top

Posted by Flater Forkbeard8651 2022-07-15 12:27|| 2022-07-15 12:27|| Front Page Top

#4 Geez, Flater, killing the messenger much? All Badanov is doing is reporting news, and he has just a bit more credibility than you do

Posted by Jay-Dubya 2022-07-15 12:57|| 2022-07-15 12:57|| Front Page Top

#5 Don't threaten the Mods

Posted by Frank G 2022-07-15 14:08|| 2022-07-15 14:08|| Front Page Top

#6 Here's some more denazification for Badanov the paid Russian influence agent. If there is a God, these people are gonna come visit your soul less self at your judgment:

https://twitter.com/OTregub/status/1547960004430290954/photo/1

https://twitter.com/OTregub/status/1547960004430290954/photo/1

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 15:37|| 2022-07-15 15:37|| Front Page Top

#7 More denazification by Badanov's Russian friends, hope all you Rantburg's Russian allies enjoy this, wish you could smell the decomposed flesh forever.

https://osce.usmission.gov/response-to-moscow-mechanism-report-on-ukraine/

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 15:49|| 2022-07-15 15:49|| Front Page Top

#8 Here Badanov, look what everyone thinks of Russia except your allies here who think Russia is just awesome:

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1548041935390052352/photo/1

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 16:50|| 2022-07-15 16:50|| Front Page Top

#9 Highly recommended: How To Win Friends and Influence People.

Posted by Matt 2022-07-15 16:59|| 2022-07-15 16:59|| Front Page Top

#10 No, Badanov is pushing Russian propaganda. You don't post titles such as "Russian denazification campaign" if you're an objective reporter.

Here's another victim of yesterday's attack on a Ukrainian school, hope you and Badanov love it, I bet you 2 wish you could see her cadaver about now:

Link

I really have better things to do than to correct your page breaking pasted links

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 16:59|| 2022-07-15 16:59|| Front Page Top

#11 I think someone totally misses the subtle sarcasm at work in the headline.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-07-15 17:11|| 2022-07-15 17:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Ambassador Melnyk, is that you?

NYTimes on Ukraine's pro-Nazi emissary to Germany, Andriy Melnyk, who in Berlin of all places lavishly praised Ukraine's favorite Nazi, the mass murderer Stepan Bandera who is worshipped in Ukraine to this day:

"in Bandera’s native west, statues are erected in his honor; streets are named after him. Grzegorz Rossolinski-Liebe, a Polish historian in Berlin, said that Ukraine “sooner or later will have to deal with Bandera.”

"Part of the reason Bandera remained so prominent, he said, was that even leading intellectuals refused to reconsider the history. “They don’t really want to open Ukrainian history to the history of the Holocaust, the history of fascism,” he said.

"To many Ukrainians, Mr. Melnyk’s views are uncontroversial: Bandera — who was assassinated in Munich by Soviet agents — is seen as an anti-Soviet freedom fighter who made difficult compromises in the fight for independence. They deny his Nazi collaboration by pointing out that Germany later interned him in a concentration camp over his independence efforts...."

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 17:48|| 2022-07-15 17:48|| Front Page Top

#13 from Spengler at the right-wing American site, PJMedia:

Yes, Ukraine Has a Nazi Problem, And Its Name Is Andriy Melnyk

Germany’s leading center-right newspaper Die Welt posted a banner headline at the top of its page last Friday evening just before Shabbat came in here in New York: “[Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany Andrej] Melnyk’s statement trivializes the Holocaust.” In a radio interview last week, Melnyk compared Ukrainian Nazi leader Stephan Bandera to Robin Hood and vehemently denied—in the face of massive historical documentation—that Bandera had helped to murder 800,000 Ukrainian Jews during World War II. The Banderites also helped to murder between 40,000 and 100,000 Poles.

Poland’s embassy to Berlin also denounced Melnyk’s statement.

Yet there was barely a peep in the American press—I found a single passing mention in the Washington Post and nothing elsewhere—and not a word from any American Jewish organization.

The incident was a top item in every major German news outlet, but unmentionable in the American media, not to mention polite company. Echo-chamber-driven group-think has achieved a new dimension of control.

Israel’s embassy to Germany had declared: “The statements of the Ukrainian Ambassador are a distortion of the historical facts, a trivialization of the Holocaust and an insult to those who were murdered by Bandera and his people. The statements of the ambassador undermine not only the values that we all treasure, but also undermine the brave fight of the Ukrainian people to live in peace and with democratic values.”

Holocaust denial is sadly endemic, but I can think of not a single instance in the past generation when a senior official of a Western-allied country—let alone one that will receive $70 billion in aid from the United States—openly and unashamedly defended a perpetrator of genocide against Jews. Yet that is what Ukraine’s Ambassador Andrej Melnyk did vehemently and without shame.

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 17:55|| 2022-07-15 17:55|| Front Page Top

#14 Bandera the Nazi is worshipped as a hero in Ukraine. They don't even try to hide it. This is well known in Poland and Germany and across East Central Europe. Only in the USA does anyone try to deny or suppress this obvious well-known fact.

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 17:58|| 2022-07-15 17:58|| Front Page Top

#15

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-07-15 17:59|| 2022-07-15 17:59|| Front Page Top

#16

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 18:05|| 2022-07-15 18:05|| Front Page Top

#17 An excellent study by the Berlin-based Polish historian quoted in the New York Times article:

Stepan Bandera: The Life and Afterlife of a Ukrainian Nationalist. Fascism, Genocide, and Cult

Grzegorz Rossoliński-Liebe is a research associate at the Freie Universität Berlin. He studied cultural history at the Viadrina European University and wrote his doctoral dissertation about Stepan Bandera and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists at the Universität Hamburg. His dissertation is the first comprehensive and scholarly biography of the Ukrainian far-right leader, and the first in-depth study of his political cult. Rossoliński-Liebe was a fellow of the Harry Frank Guggenheim Foundation, the Jewish Claims Conference, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, the Fondation pour la Mémoire de la Shoah, and the German Historical Institute in Warsaw.

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 18:09|| 2022-07-15 18:09|| Front Page Top

#18 Lots of photos and links collected by this journalist at the Jewish publication, The Forward, of Ukraine's many monuments to their favorite Nazi collaborator, Bandera, who who oversaw the murder of over 800,000 Ukrainian Jews during the war.

from
Nazi Collaborator Monuments Around the World: Ukraine
By Lev Golinkin
The Forward
27 January 2021

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 18:23|| 2022-07-15 18:23|| Front Page Top

#19 Forkbeard with the play by play and Ukro Raus with the color commentary.

Not exactly Vern Lundquist

Posted by badanov 2022-07-15 18:25|| 2022-07-15 18:25|| Front Page Top

#20

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 18:27|| 2022-07-15 18:27|| Front Page Top

#21 I would remind all you Russian friends that Russia invaded Ukraine. Ukraine has not invaded any nation.

Now back to your 1940 Soviet Union/ Nazi discussions.

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 18:31|| 2022-07-15 18:31|| Front Page Top

#22 with the color commentary.

Honest question to "badanov": You seem like a well-intentioned, serious person. The discussion is about whether or not Ikraine's nationalists glorify their Nazi last. Obviously, they do-- as evidenced by both Lev Golinkin's article with its dozens of links and impeccable sourcing and Grzegorz Rossoliński-Liebe'a excellent study that I linked to above.

"Badanov": Why are you being sarcastic about this?

Are you trying to deny, or brush off, the tons of solid evidence about the widespread, fervent cult of Stepan Bandera in today's Ukraine?

If so, why? I'm genuinely curious as to why you retreat into sarcasm about such an important matter.

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 18:35|| 2022-07-15 18:35|| Front Page Top

#23 correction: "The discussion is about whether or not Ukraine's nationalists glorify their Nazi past"

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 18:37|| 2022-07-15 18:37|| Front Page Top

#24 So. Vindman's a nazi. I knew it. I just knew it...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-07-15 18:41|| 2022-07-15 18:41|| Front Page Top

#25 You tell'em Karen Forkbeard! Way to sniff it out!

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-07-15 18:45|| 2022-07-15 18:45|| Front Page Top

#26 Listen to average Russian, that culture is worse than ISIS culture, they're a dying out people group of nihilists.

You Russian sucks sit around discussing 1940 and the truth is regardless of ideology, all people have the right to be independent like the US was the UK.
https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1547639975524454400

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 18:46|| 2022-07-15 18:46|| Front Page Top

#27 ^ More stupid and feeble attempts at sarcasm. See my first response to your idiotic higher cartoon post, above.

Silence from "badanov".

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 18:47|| 2022-07-15 18:47|| Front Page Top

#28 "Badanov": Why are you being sarcastic about this?

Perhaps it is because he can look down on the board and see your little gambit for what it is.

Posted by SteveS 2022-07-15 18:48|| 2022-07-15 18:48|| Front Page Top

#29 As Spengler (David P Goldman) noted:

"Echo chamber-driven group-think has achieved a new dimension of control."

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 18:50|| 2022-07-15 18:50|| Front Page Top

#30 America's nazi fighting bona fides are ironclad. Your problem is with the beltway crowd, which is in America but not American, per se.

Don't put that on us here. We didn't vote for any of it.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-07-15 18:51|| 2022-07-15 18:51|| Front Page Top

#31 #28 "Badanov": Why are you being sarcastic about this?

Because I don't have a dawg in this fight, Fordbeard's protestations notwithstanding.

Posted by badanov 2022-07-15 18:52|| 2022-07-15 18:52|| Front Page Top

#32 Forkbeards (plural) and the other trolls you may have truth behind their in-your-face lies and propaganda. You are winning no friends or gaining allies by being assholes and spitting on mods. Your own worst enemies, dicks

Posted by Frank G 2022-07-15 19:05|| 2022-07-15 19:05|| Front Page Top

#33 "Forkbeards (plural) and the other trolls you may have truth behind their in-your-face lies"

Is there a native English speaker who can parse this word salad -- sans the usual stupid, lame sarcasm?

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 19:09|| 2022-07-15 19:09|| Front Page Top

#34 ;-)

Posted by Frank G 2022-07-15 19:09|| 2022-07-15 19:09|| Front Page Top

#35 The discussion is about whether or not Ikraine's nationalists glorify their Nazi last.

yup

Posted by Frank G 2022-07-15 19:15|| 2022-07-15 19:15|| Front Page Top

#36 Is there a native English speaker who can parse this word salad -- sans the usual stupid, lame sarcasm?

Sarcasm is our mother tongue. English is a second language, just like you.

Posted by badanov 2022-07-15 19:19|| 2022-07-15 19:19|| Front Page Top

#37 Oh you have a dog in the fight, you're posting Russian pr on an American website. If you were neutral, you wouldn't post a Russian article titled "denazify campaign".

They invaded a smaller neighbor, that's it.

Just FYI and all your American traitor friends, not only have Finland and Sweden been added to NATO, Ukraine is going to informally be a part of it.

The current DoD bill added $ 100 million just to train Ukrainian pilots on the US equipment. In a couple of years they'll have every piece of NATO equipment except F 35s.

For you Americans who side with Russia, you guys don't realize the USA owes Ukraine protection, we intimidated them to get rid of their nukes, otherwise we wouldn't have us a war right now.

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 19:20|| 2022-07-15 19:20|| Front Page Top

#38 Deutsche Welle's English edition shows a better command of English:

Ukraine's envoy to Germany irks Israeli, Polish governments with WWII comments - dw.com
Jul 1, 2022

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 19:21|| 2022-07-15 19:21|| Front Page Top

#39 "English is a second language, just like you."

You really should do an internship at Deutsche Welle. They'll pull together your fractured English tout de suite

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 19:25|| 2022-07-15 19:25|| Front Page Top

#40 Oh you have a dog in the fight, you're posting Russian pr on an American website. If you were neutral, you wouldn't post a Russian article titled "denazify campaign".

Fuck you.

Posted by badanov 2022-07-15 19:38|| 2022-07-15 19:38|| Front Page Top

#41 Quick quiz: Who just spoke the following?
a. Kurt Schlichter
b. Marine Le Pen
c. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
d. Ron DeSantis
e. Viktor Orban
f. Victor Davis Hanson
g. V.V.P.

Take the test! Guess correctly and win a special Boris Badanov rantburg decoder ring!!

"Today, the West's ruling elites are raising the degree to which they manipulate the public consciousness right before our eyes. The ruling classes of the Western countries, which are supranational and globalist in nature, realized that their policies are increasingly detached from reality, common sense and the truth, and they have started resorting to openly despotic methods.

The West, which once declared such principles of democracy as freedom of speech, pluralism and respect for dissenting opinions, has now degenerated into the opposite: totalitarianism. This includes censorship, media bans, and the arbitrary treatment of journalists and public figures.

These kinds of prohibitions have been extended not only to the information space, but also to politics, culture, education, and art – to all spheres of public life in the Western countries. And, they are imposing this on the world; they are trying to impose this model, a model of totalitarian liberalism, including the notorious cancel culture of widespread bans.

However, the truth and reality is that the people in most of these countries do not want this life or this future, and really do not want the formal semblance of sovereignty, they want substantive, real sovereignty and are simply tired of kneeling, of humiliating themselves before those who consider themselves exceptional, and of serving their interests even to their own detriment.

Posted by Omereck Sholuse2834 2022-07-15 20:47|| 2022-07-15 20:47|| Front Page Top

#42 We have the Russian perspective and the Ukrainian perspective here, and our readers have the knowledge and experience to make their own judgements.

As for the Russians dying out — which is true — unfortunately at the current birthrate the Ukrainians are dying out as well. And, if the published numbers are true in both countries, at a slightly faster rate even before the current Russian effort to clear the land of Ukrainians. From the CIA World Factbook:

Russia:
median age: 40.3
population growth rate: -0.22% (shrinking, not growing)
total fertility rate: 1.6 children per woman

Ukraine (pre-invasion):
median age: 41.2
population growth rate: -0.5 (shrinking, not growing)
total fertility rate: 1.56 children per woman

In two generations, at the rate both countries are going, both countries will be empty, with nobody left to prevent the dwindling hordes from Africa and Middle East from wandering in. Not that they’ll stay, with no rich country to batten off (and no proper clothes for the bitter winters), but that won’t help the two wonderful peoples who won’t be there to see it.

Incidentally, the Jewish publication, The Forward makes much of its Jewishness, but really they are really boring, plain vanilla Socialists with a gloss of Manhattan — fine if you want to know what’s in the local theaters and art galleries, but otherwise even more parochial than the rest of New York City.

Finally, about David P. Goldman, the polymath who owns the Asia Times and writes columns for both its editorial page and P.J.Media as Spengler: after long writing on the subject in both publications, a decade ago he published How Civilizations Die: (And Why Islam Is Dying Too) . The blurb explains:

Thanks to collapsing birthrates, much of Europe is on a path of willed self-extinction. The untold story is that birthrates in Muslim nations are declining faster than anywhere else — at a rate never before documented. Europe, even in its decline, may have the resources to support an aging population, if at a terrible economic and cultural cost. But in the impoverished Islamic world, an aging population means a civilization on the brink of total collapse — something Islamic terrorists know and fear. Muslim decline poses new threats to America, challenges we cannot even understand, much less face effectively, without a wholly new kind of political analysis that explains how desperate peoples and nations behave. In How Civilizations Die, David P. Goldman, author of the celebrated Spengler column read by intelligence organizations world wide, reveals how, almost unnoticed, massive shifts in global power are remaking our future.

So, gentlemen, if you wish Ukraine to survive, stop fighting on the internet and go make babies with your wives.

The same to the pro-Russia trolls who are doing the same. It will be a terrible thing when all we have of both your peoples is some YouTube videos of folk dancers, some math formulae, and a few translated books in our libraries because nobody remembers the original languages.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-07-15 20:58|| 2022-07-15 20:58|| Front Page Top

#43

Posted by Phosh Cretch2920 2022-07-15 21:10|| 2022-07-15 21:10|| Front Page Top

#44

Posted by Phosh Cretch2920 2022-07-15 21:13|| 2022-07-15 21:13|| Front Page Top

#45 Re the quiz in #41, that sounds like Victor Davis Hanson.

Please send a link to where I can 3D print my decoder ring.

Posted by Wally Gator 2022-07-15 21:17|| 2022-07-15 21:17|| Front Page Top

#46 Back on topic, Zelensky was never aligned with Ukraine's far right while running for office. He shifted hard right when it became clear that without far-right support he would have no power whatsoever.

After Biden came back into the White House the return of the Nuland-Sullivan cabal pushed Zelensky into a far more provocative and reactionary position beginning in March 2021.

Posted by Ukro Nazis Raus 2022-07-15 21:21|| 2022-07-15 21:21|| Front Page Top

#47 To the earlier poster's point: please stop hijacking the thread with all the natalist bullshit.

This is a discussion about the persistent influence of far-right extreme ethnocentrist and nationalist ideologies in Ukraine.

Posted by Thrinenter Ebbinerong4378 2022-07-15 22:25|| 2022-07-15 22:25|| Front Page Top

#48 My guess about the author of the anti-globalist anti-liberal internationalist passage in #41 is Marine Le Pen.

Posted by Thrinenter Ebbinerong4378 2022-07-15 22:27|| 2022-07-15 22:27|| Front Page Top

#49 If only Ukraine would stop being a USA puppet, Vladimir Putin would not have been forced to invade Ukraine!

None of all this mass thievery, mass raping, mass murdering would have happened if not for the evil Americans!!!

Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-07-15 22:29|| 2022-07-15 22:29|| Front Page Top

#50 Have a drink, Fookbeard.

Better still, have a stiff drink and read Lev Golinski's marvelous detailed article about the glorious history of collaboration in Ukraine.

Posted by Guillibaldo Elmusock2857 2022-07-15 22:44|| 2022-07-15 22:44|| Front Page Top

#51 My guess for #41 is Viktor Orban

Posted by Heriberto the Florid9051 2022-07-15 23:10|| 2022-07-15 23:10|| Front Page Top

#52 The ruling classes of the Western countries, which are supranational and globalist in nature, realized that their policies are increasingly detached from reality, common sense and the truth, and they have started resorting to openly despotic methods.

The West, which once declared such principles of democracy as freedom of speech, pluralism and respect for dissenting opinions, has now degenerated into the opposite: totalitarianism. This includes censorship, media bans, and the arbitrary treatment of journalists and public figures.

I know who this is: V.V.P.
Putin!

Posted by Winky McGurque8067 2022-07-15 23:16|| 2022-07-15 23:16|| Front Page Top

#53 ^ ding ding ding!! We have a winnah!

Transcript of 7/7 speech -- read it all

Posted by Kasimir 2022-07-15 23:35|| 2022-07-15 23:35|| Front Page Top

#54 To the earlier poster's point: please stop hijacking the thread with all the natalist bullshit.

This is a discussion about the persistent influence of far-right extreme ethnocentrist and nationalist ideologies in Ukraine.

That may be what you are interested in discussing. We find the entire point overly Scholastic and unimportant. As it happens, the exact same could be said about Russia, with equal justification, so mentioning it at all, let alone going on about it for endless comments, is utterly, utterly boring.

And as others have said, counterproductive.

Instead of wasting your time being ineffective here, you should go home and make some babies with your wife so that the Russian people does not die out completely in the next two generations, leaving only the emigrants — primarily Russian Jews, as it happens — to carry on your culture.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-07-15 23:40|| 2022-07-15 23:40|| Front Page Top

#55 A view of Putibs amazing speech that reiterates, almost word for word, what the traditional conservative right in the West has been saying for years about the woke / green / globohomo bullshit... this is from Florida, from the wonderful anti-COVIDian litigation lawyer Jeff Childers

Posted by Zorba Johnson4792 2022-07-15 23:43|| 2022-07-15 23:43|| Front Page Top

#56 Please stop trying to hihack the thread. Really shitty behavior from someone who calls herself a mod.

Posted by Harcourt Panda1278 2022-07-15 23:45|| 2022-07-15 23:45|| Front Page Top

#57 Please stop trying to hijack the thread.

Posted by Harcourt Panda1278 2022-07-15 23:46|| 2022-07-15 23:46|| Front Page Top

#58 Also dispense with your ridiculous, pompous use of "we"

Posted by Harcourt Panda1278 2022-07-15 23:48|| 2022-07-15 23:48|| Front Page Top

#59 A) She is a mod.
B) Use of the royal "we" is common in journalism
c) Stop being a douche.

Posted by badanov 2022-07-15 23:54|| 2022-07-15 23:54|| Front Page Top

#60 The title of the thread makes it clear that this is a discussion about "denazification". We don't give a shit about your idiosyncratic concerns. We are discussing whether or not you crave it needs to be "denazified." That is all.

STOP HIJACKING THE THREAD. Go post your rants about fertility rates on another thread. Thank you.

Posted by Harcourt Panda1278 2022-07-15 23:55|| 2022-07-15 23:55|| Front Page Top

#61 *We are discussing whether or not Ukraine needs to be "denazified." That is all.

@badanov: If she's truly a mod, she's doing a really shitty job of it. She's trying to hijack the thread. Really bad behavior.

Posted by Harcourt Panda1278 2022-07-15 23:58|| 2022-07-15 23:58|| Front Page Top

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