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2009-07-15 Home Front: Politix
House Bill Would Make Health Care a Right
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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2009-07-15 05:44|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ]  Top

#1 ...for the first time would make health care a right

Real rights are enshrined in the Constitution. Anything else is theater, which will change as the marquee and players rotate over time. That's why so many lefties hate the true reading of the 14th Amendment "..nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." However, its that pesky process of actually making amended changes that they keep so hard to work around, because they know they really don't have the power to do so.
Posted by Procopius2k 2009-07-15 07:38||   2009-07-15 07:38|| Front Page Top

#2 The conflation of rights (the government will not stop you) and entitlements (the government will extort the money from someone else) always annoys me.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-07-15 08:01||   2009-07-15 08:01|| Front Page Top

#3 From Bloomberg:
Time is running short for the House and Senate to pass the legislation before their August recess, the deadline Obama has set. In entertaining the possibility of a party-line vote on health care, Emanuel cited “reconciliation,” a parliamentary procedure that a dominant party can use to prevent the other party from blocking legislation.

Both Axelrod and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said taking a partisan route to enacting major health-care legislation isn’t the president’s preferred choice. Yet in separate interviews, each man left that option open.

“Ultimately, this is not about a process, it’s about results,” David Axelrod, Obama’s senior political strategist, said during an interview in his White House office. “If we’re going to get this thing done, obviously time is a-wasting.”

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If this thing is going to pass it is going to have to pass SOON and they know it; it is the high profile item with the most support among their base (and beyond) and the one thing that a future administration won't be able to undo. It would be Zero's legacy. So they will bring all guns to bear on it and unless a really significant number of opponents lean really hard on their Dem Senators and Representatives (especially those from swing states or districts) it will pass in the next couple of weeks.
Posted by Glenmore 2009-07-15 08:04||   2009-07-15 08:04|| Front Page Top

#4 Food/drink alert....here's the official propaganda summary in case you are interested.

I remember in my younger, occasionally questionably employed days, when I would skip health coverage because I wanted to spend the money on something more valuable to me at the moment. I wonder how many of O-blah-blah's dumb bunny followers under 25 or so feel the same way. I'm sure they would be happy to accept "free" healthcare, but might be ticked off about having to dip into their beer and pot funds for something so boring and uncool.
Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2009-07-15 08:14||   2009-07-15 08:14|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm basically speechless. $1.5 trillion? And that's almost certainly a low-ball estimate. If all these bills pass, I don't know that the US can recover. That must be their goal since any other reason is unfathomable.
Posted by Spot">Spot  2009-07-15 08:42||   2009-07-15 08:42|| Front Page Top

#6 Just like Canada - here is a new video from Steve Crowder...

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-07-15 08:53||   2009-07-15 08:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Spot -- take the official estimate and triple it, and you'll be close to the true cost. That's been true of just about every government health care program ever enacted in this country.
Posted by Steve White 2009-07-15 09:18||   2009-07-15 09:18|| Front Page Top

#8 I would say take the figure and multiply it by 10. There is always bloat and these things just go nuts in scope and cost.

$115 Trillion after 10 years.
Posted by DarthVader 2009-07-15 09:37||   2009-07-15 09:37|| Front Page Top

#9 I watched a re-run last nite of Maher's politically incorrect (I had insomnia) - anyways Begala, Katty Kay & Joel Stein were the guests w/Megan McCain. I couldn't believe the amount of ignorant remarks that were passed on the part of these so called intellectuals (not McCain - who from her performance is the biggest useful idiot the left could hope for) about uni-health care and the need for it. Pathetic. Any clear thinking conservative could've won that debate pretty easily, which is why Maher booked meg mccain.
Posted by Broadhead6 2009-07-15 09:56||   2009-07-15 09:56|| Front Page Top

#10 “The liberal-leaning plan lacked figures on total costs…”

Because you know those hard numbers are hard to come by lately. Especially when it comes time to figure out a way to pay for those costs. If the small business exemptions are to be adopted their “fleece the rich” plan still doesn’t add up. Look for Pelosi to pound hard on the mythical “savings” portion of this massive shell game. It will be interesting to see how the house committees mark up this boondoggle without a CBO score.
Posted by DepotGuy 2009-07-15 10:39||   2009-07-15 10:39|| Front Page Top

#11 Spot -- take the official estimate and triple it,

Boy are you an optimist. When Medicare first came into effect, they made some long range projections. They were off by 6 or 7 times. If memory serves, Medicaid projections were even further off.
Posted by ed 2009-07-15 10:48||   2009-07-15 10:48|| Front Page Top

#12 The problems with health care cannot be addressed without correcting others. We cannot possibly afford to cover illegal immigrants, especially when companies with record profits don't pay taxes, like Goldman Sachs! The rich will shelter their income, small businesses forced to close or lay off workers, exacerbating the problems with the unemployed losing coverage. More will qualify for Medicaid when the states can least afford to be health care providers. Making health care a right takes away my right to life(worked to death), liberty(slave to government), and the pursuit of happiness(destroying the American dream). I get sick just thinking about it.
Posted by Lumpy Elmoluck5091 2009-07-15 10:54||   2009-07-15 10:54|| Front Page Top

#13 British National Health Horror Stories

Cancer Survival Rates Highest in US

8/24/07 Telegraph

England is on a par with Poland despite the NHS spending three times more on health care. Cancer experts blamed late diagnosis and long waiting lists.

Personal note: My sister-in-law in England died of cancer while the NHS treated her for their diagnosis of "Tropical Disease". They picked "Tropical Disease" because she had been on a cruise to Brazil before she fell ill.

A significant percent of Brits have Private Health Insurance coverage. A large percentage get frustrated with the poor or slow pace of care and "Go Private" (pay cash). Hundreds of thousands of Brits fly to places like India for heart surgery and joint replacements.



Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2009-07-15 11:05||   2009-07-15 11:05|| Front Page Top

#14 I don't see the vaunted Canadian medical system anywhere on that cancer survival list.
Posted by Scooter McGruder 2009-07-15 16:04||   2009-07-15 16:04|| Front Page Top

#15 This post goes into the Canadian rates. Below, but close to the US. What is interesting is the differences between men and women in the US and EUrope.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-07-15 16:23||   2009-07-15 16:23|| Front Page Top

#16 Maybe Canada's rates are close to the US because of the geographic location. This may be from our successful techniques filtering over the border and/or Canadians jumping to the US for treatment.
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2009-07-15 16:57||   2009-07-15 16:57|| Front Page Top

#17 Maybe, but I suspect the border jumpers are in the US figures and not in the Canadian. How would the Canadian health service know if you never went there? I suspect it's more that we have sufficiently similar life styles, both pre- and post- cancer.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-07-15 17:38||   2009-07-15 17:38|| Front Page Top

#18 N S

They are diagnosed in Canada, treated in US, return to Canada cured, problem solved, another success for Canadian National Health.

Years ago, Kaiser Permanente had the lowest mortality rate for open heart surgery. How did they do that? They farmed out the more difficult problem cases to hospitals with better programs.

They since have brought their heart program up to higher standards in their own facilities.

Don't count of the government doing that well. Just look at the VA for a clue of what's to come.
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2009-07-15 18:27||   2009-07-15 18:27|| Front Page Top

#19 One of Canada's health issues revolve around the low population density. Canadian medical staff may not see enough patients with more obscure problems to develop competent local treatment expertise. For example, the Ontario government closed several neo-natal cardiac wards through the province because mortality rates were significantly higher than the Toronto facility. It was not that the centers in London or Ottawa were poorly run; just that there were not enough patients for these facilities to maintain safe standard care. It is smartercheaper to send neo-natal cases to Buffalo and cancer patients to Pittsburgh than to support adequate facilities here.

This also leads to other issues, like the Hamilton couple who cannot visit their newborn in Buffalo because they lack passports.
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