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2008-07-05 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2008-07-05 09:51|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 This is a non-issue. Ms. Dunham was an American citizen, and gave birth in an American state, Hawaii. By the 14th amendment Barack Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

To demonstrate otherwise, you'd need convincing evidence that he wasn't born in an American state or possession. I know there's a kerfluffle out there in the die-hard Hillary blogs about whether or not the birth certificate that the Obama campaign has presented is legit, but it doesn't matter if indeed he was born in Hawaii.

Again: Hawaii in 1961 was a state. If you're an American woman and you give birth in any of the 57 50 states, you child is a natural born American citizen.

Best thing the Obama campaign could do is hold a press conference and have him wave his OBC to the crowd.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2008-07-05 12:28|| 2008-07-05 12:28|| Front Page Top

#2 As a second point: this issue may be all the rage in the die-hard Hillary blogs, but there's no reason for us to dive into it. The 48 hour rule applies with lots and LOTS of salt.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2008-07-05 12:29|| 2008-07-05 12:29|| Front Page Top

#3 Until he releases his bc this will keep up. Cause he's hiding something. Same with Clinton's med records.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-07-05 12:31|| 2008-07-05 12:31|| Front Page Top

#4 To demonstrate otherwise, you'd need convincing evidence that he wasn't born in an American state or possession.

It seems to me that he ought to have to prove that he was born in an American state or possession. That was never at issue up until his presidential run, since all other public offices are open to non natural-born citizens. No one's ever questioned him on it to the extent necessary to force documentation, but it's a real issue. Shouldn't there be an authority that vets presidential eligibility instead of relying on the candidate's assertions?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-07-05 14:28|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-07-05 14:28|| Front Page Top

#5 MS: shouldn't it be in Opinion, then?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-07-05 14:32|| 2008-07-05 14:32|| Front Page Top

#6 The child of an American citizen is automatically an American citizen, no matter where born, is what I was told when pregnant in Germany with trailing daughter #2. However, if that child is not born in the U.S. or on American territory (including Armed Forces base hospitals abroad, as bases are considered U.S. territory), then its child must be born in the U.S. in order to gain that automatic right to citizenship. So unless something really wonky happened when he was born, both Barack Hussein Obama and his daughters are unblemished American citizens. Trailing daughter #2, however, must make sure to come back Stateside to bear her children, should she be abroad when they are conceived.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-07-05 15:24|| 2008-07-05 15:24|| Front Page Top

#7 Whoops! I forgot to add, thank you, Mike S., for organizing the information for us.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-07-05 15:26|| 2008-07-05 15:26|| Front Page Top

#8 Change, I tell you, CHANGE. America is a great country; it must elect Barak. If he was born in Canada, we'll just have to CHANGE the law(s).

Posted by Michelle 2008-07-05 15:58|| 2008-07-05 15:58|| Front Page Top

#9 This is stuff that the non-Obama liberals in particular want to talk about, IMHO, because they spent the last five years flooding the airwaves with Barack Obama's platform, and that anyone who voted for the war was either stupid, corrupt, or both. They did so in such a way as to make sure that an adult could not win either the nomination or the election.

Well, guess what Hillary did in 2003?

So basically, they're yentzed unless they can reveal that Obama is actually a reptilian parasite from the planet P3X-888. Or something like that.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-07-05 16:00|| 2008-07-05 16:00|| Front Page Top

#10 IIUC there are issues with his mother's age above age 16, yadda yadda, but...

IMHO there is no way the SCOTUS or anyone else would throw out his candidacy at this point. He should show his proof and then everyone shuts up. If he doesn't it'll be a continuing sore with bigger conspiracies and net rumors....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-07-05 16:08|| 2008-07-05 16:08|| Front Page Top

#11 TW, the law in effect at the time required both parents to be citizens for the automatic birthright to kick in.

Thats why McCain and all others born of 2 US citizens abroad are "natural born".

The problem comes when only one parent is a citizen and the other is not.

Obama's father was NOT a citizen, and his mother was not a citizen of the us for 5 years post 16th birthday (she was only 18). So the "5 years post 16" rules as detailed above, disqualify that route for "natural born".

However, the birth in Hawaii, whcih was a state, means the "natural born" part applies under the 14th amendment.

Now, if they can prove he was born outside the US, then he is INELIGIBLE to stand for election for POTUS.

The Clinton "bitter end-ers" seem inclined to try that though, because if Obama is pushed out, then Hillary is in.

Myself, I do not understand why Obama is hiding his birth certificate, and allowing forgeries to be posted by his supporters.

He can end this by doing what McCain did, and thats showing his real birth certificate.

The fact that he does not is what keeps this going with the Clinton dead-end bunch and some on right vehemently opposed to Obama.

And that's what mystifies me about the whole thing - why not end all the flap?

Proving foreign birth would be pretty difficult, and I consider it to be a huge reach.

In all likelihood this is a tempest in a teapot, and maybe Obama is using it as misdirection to hide other dirt on him that he doesnt want uncovered, so as to "pre-discredit" critics on both sides.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-07-05 19:25|| 2008-07-05 19:25|| Front Page Top

#12 Who can you trust?

Posted by McZoid 2008-07-05 20:37|| 2008-07-05 20:37|| Front Page Top

#13 Births are a matter of public record. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a record of Obama's birth if he were born in Canada.

BC has an online database of births but I can't get through to it.

Posted by phil_b 2008-07-05 21:34|| 2008-07-05 21:34|| Front Page Top

#14 Another possibility is she travelled from Hawaii by ship (long distance by ship was still common at that time) and he was born on board, which I believe would make Barack a national of the ship's country of registery.

Posted by phil_b 2008-07-05 21:52|| 2008-07-05 21:52|| Front Page Top

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