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2015-07-03 Home Front: Culture Wars
Confederate Flag Flop: Public Opinion Remains Unchanged From Where It Was 15 Years Ago
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-07-03 05:05|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ]  Top

#1 The Confederate flag is better called the rebel flag; it's not about race but of not wanting to be told what to do by some distant government and its supporters. In fact, that was even the case in 1865.
Posted by Glenmore 2015-07-03 08:22||   2015-07-03 08:22|| Front Page Top

#2 ...in other words, the FU flag.

[BTW, how about banning the 'Red' flag, responsible for about 100 million dead in the 20th Century while you're at it]
Posted by Procopius2k  2015-07-03 09:21||   2015-07-03 09:21|| Front Page Top

#3 
Posted by junkiron 2015-07-03 10:27||   2015-07-03 10:27|| Front Page Top

#4 The Confederacy was indeed about slavery. We've had 150 years of revisionist history trying to tell us that the southern leaders were noble and just trying to fight off northern aggression and centralized government.

Nonsense.

The South was afraid of Abraham Lincoln for one reason: they knew he and the Republicans would do away with slavery. First in the new territories of the west, then in the border states, and finally in the deep South. Lincoln was beguiling but the other Republican leaders (Steward, Chase, etc) were not -- they were quite open about this. It was the whole reason the Republican Party had been formed.

Southern leaders couldn't push slavery but so hard -- most of the young men who were to fight for the south didn't own slaves and didn't care much one way or the other. But they could be induced to fight for home, and so that was the storyline that was adopted.

After the war ended the South really couldn't continue to cling to slavery nostalgia. But the other nostalgia? That was the history that was adopted.

I have no sympathy for the Confederate battle flag -- should have been done away with it in the southern states long, long ago.

Then again, I'm a Republican.
Posted by Steve White 2015-07-03 13:50||   2015-07-03 13:50|| Front Page Top

#5 Care to cite references?
Posted by Pappy 2015-07-03 15:12||   2015-07-03 15:12|| Front Page Top

#6 you want to start here?
Posted by Procopius2k 2015-07-03 15:32||   2015-07-03 15:32|| Front Page Top

#7 That'll do for a start. Thanks P2K.
Posted by Steve White 2015-07-03 18:15||   2015-07-03 18:15|| Front Page Top

#8 The Southern battle flag evolved into the southern 'F U' flag to the central government, and has now evolved into a more generalized redneck 'F U' flag to the overpowerful central government - kind of like the Gadsden flag. Yes, racists also drag it around, but I think they're a minority.
Posted by Glenmore 2015-07-03 21:41||   2015-07-03 21:41|| Front Page Top

#9 I don't even own one but after last week, I'd be waving it wide and high at Daytona and the 4th, as a FUCK YOU. My family was a southern family with slaves... we haven't had any in quite a while I'm pretty damn sure, and members died on both sides of the Civil War
Posted by Frank G 2015-07-03 21:54||   2015-07-03 21:54|| Front Page Top

#10 The "Stars and Bars" was, at one time, a symbol of battle between honest men of vastly differing opinions. Now, it's more a "I'm not gonna' do it, try and make me." thingy, right?

Is there anyone alive today, aside a few who keep their prey chained in a basement, who has kept a slave? How many affirmative actions do we have to go back until one is found?

Enough already with the infinitely offended.

Posted by Blossom Unains5562 2015-07-03 22:47||   2015-07-03 22:47|| Front Page Top

#11 The Southern soldier by and large fought for his tribe be it Texan, Georgian, Alabaman et al.* Just as Germans and Japanese did for their tribe, and damn hard. Often with far better behavior in a civil war which by historical standards is generally brutal and unforgiving than the other two mentioned in general war. All three groups were exploited by their ruling class for their own ends and gains. The Southern leadership was trapped. Too many early success and then passing the mark of more deaths than all the previous war in American history, they could not come to terms, to include selling the slaves to the federal government, as it would be viewed as a betrayal of all the preceding sacrifice of the yeomanry for the wallet of that same class.

* as Shelby Foote alluded to in Ken Burn's series The Civil War, before 1860 it was the United STATES of America, after 1865 it was the UNITED States of America.
Posted by Procopius2k 2015-07-03 22:51||   2015-07-03 22:51|| Front Page Top

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