Article

2010-07-02 Europe

France to look at possible U.S. sub link to sinking

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by tipper 2010-07-02 11:49|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 Did the sub supposedly catch one of its nets and pull it under?

Posted by gorb 2010-07-02 13:31|| 2010-07-02 13:31|| Front Page Top

#2 This sort of thing does happen. It's not like submariners can look out the window. The last time one of our submarines nailed a surface vessel unintentionally, it raised quite a hubbub with Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-07-02 14:12|| 2010-07-02 14:12|| Front Page Top

#3 "the ship may have been pulled under by a U.S. submarine patrolling the area."

Or it may have been hit by an asteroid or zapped by a UFO. I wouldn't be surprised if these people are looking for someone who can pay.

Posted by Jefferson 2010-07-02 16:08|| 2010-07-02 16:08|| Front Page Top

#4 Recycled "agent of influence" propaganda.

This particular conspiracy theory, that US submarines were responsible for many, if not most, sinkings in European waters, was a cause du jour in left-wing media circles in the 1980s. There were demonstrations, lawsuits, and dubious investigations by pro-Soviet legislators and academics. In this country, top drawer leftist outlets like Omni magazine and Mother Jones both had breathlessly horrified (though fact-free) articles on the claim. The result, not surprisingly, was a major movement to shut down the Faslane sub base because of the alleged sinkings.
To find the ultimate media/political source, we need only ask ourselves who has a major incentive to sabotage NATO operations, as the Kremlin and its hired agents did during this meme's earlier incarnation.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2010-07-02 17:07|| 2010-07-02 17:07|| Front Page Top

#5 "Questions in parliament" 11 April 1989

57. Mr. Foulkes : To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what representations he has received concerning incidents involving fishing boats and submarines. Mr. Archie Hamilton : Letters continue to be received from fishermen's organisations and from other interested groups and individuals about a number of incidents in which submarines are alleged to have been involved.

LA Times June 25, 1989
"Subs Running 'Blind' Pose New Danger of the Deep"

And in recent years, the issue of submarine collisions has become a cause in the British Isles. Members of both the British and Irish parliaments are demanding to know what role submarines may have played in the "mysterious" disappearances,sinkings and close snaggings of several dozen fishing boats in the Irish Sea, resulting in the loss of more than 100 lives since 1980.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2010-07-02 17:22|| 2010-07-02 17:22|| Front Page Top

#6 I thought the subs 'listened' for prop noise & such from traffic around them. Wouldn't they know if there was a fishing boat close enough to snag them?

Posted by Glenmore 2010-07-02 18:39|| 2010-07-02 18:39|| Front Page Top

#7 seine and drift nets drift far from the boat. You could know you're well clear of the boat, and catch a net

Posted by Frank G 2010-07-02 18:46|| 2010-07-02 18:46|| Front Page Top

#8 I thought the subs 'listened' for prop noise & such from traffic around them. Wouldn't they know if there was a fishing boat close enough to snag them?

Depends. If the fishing boat had its engines off and was just sitting there for a break, lunch, afternoon nap, afternoon wank, etc., they would have sounded like a bunch of water and not been detected.

Posted by DarthVader 2010-07-02 21:41|| 2010-07-02 21:41|| Front Page Top

#9 ION WMF > JAPANESE MEDIA: CHINA TAKES UP A CONFRONTATIONAL POSTURE IN THE YELOW SEA/SEA OF JAPAN.

* SAME > GERMAN MEDIAS: CHINESE LR MISSLES CAN ACCURATELY TARGET US BASES IN GUAM, JAPAN, + SOUTH KOREA. THE USA MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RELIABLY INTERVENE OR PROTECT ITS REGIONAL ALLIES UNLESS THE CHINESE MISSLE THREAT IS MINIMIZED OR ELIMINATED.

and

* TOPIX/WAFF > US RETHINKS MARINE CORPS SHIFT TO GUAM/ WANTS TO KEEP COMMAND UNIT IN OKINAWA. US DOD is reconsidering changing the composition or type of USMC units which will move to Guam to offset those which will remain on Oki.

Shouldn't be a surprise - MIL AXIOM teaches its best to stay close AMAP ALAP to where the Action is or could be, + JAPAN WILL NEED ITS OWN NUKES + US GMD-TMD ONCE THE US DOES FORMALLY REDUX ITS MIL PRESENCE. Both Japan + SOKOR want US GMD-TMD which repor will not be emplaced until 2018 or after.

* SAME > INDONESIAN MUSLIMS TOLD TO PREPARE FOR [coming]RELIGIOUS WAR. Prob another VIOLENT one at that.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2010-07-02 23:22|| 2010-07-02 23:22|| Front Page Top

00:01 JosephMendiola
23:55 Thing From Snowy Mountain
23:52 trailing wife
23:51 3dc
23:51 JosephMendiola
23:46 JosephMendiola
23:45 crosspatch
23:45 trailing wife
23:31 JosephMendiola
23:22 JosephMendiola
23:12 49 Pan
23:00 JosephMendiola
22:52 3dc
22:48 JosephMendiola
22:42 KBK
22:30 imoyaro
22:29 anonymous2u
22:24 Hugh Jass
22:05 49 Pan
21:52 49 Pan
21:48 49 Pan
21:42 49 Pan
21:42 DarthVader
21:41 DarthVader