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2020-06-07 Science

People who regularly smoke cannabis 'are nearly three times more likely to be violent', study finds

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Posted by Skidmark 2020-06-07 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 Or maybe people who are three times more likely to be violent like a little weed to take the edge off. Especially after a meth/fentanyl binge.

Posted by SteveS 2020-06-07 00:17|| 2020-06-07 00:17|| Front Page Top

#2 As someone who spent 20 years in SanFran, I have a bit of knowledge of smoke rats and their behavior. I call bull on this "study". I cannot recall one instance where a loaded individual got any more violent than arguing about what Beatles lyrics really meant.... now the ones that laced their grass with coke or PCP... they were a totally different story.

Posted by Mercutio 2020-06-07 07:48|| 2020-06-07 07:48|| Front Page Top

#3 /\. Me, too. B.S. flag is up on this "study".

Posted by Clem 2020-06-07 08:00|| 2020-06-07 08:00|| Front Page Top

#4 'Human slavery' victim, 43, dies after huge fire breaks out at cannabis factory in Birmingham where he was being 'held against his will'

Posted by Skidmark 2020-06-07 11:09|| 2020-06-07 11:09|| Front Page Top

#5 #2 Ever seen one who goes without?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-06-07 11:15|| 2020-06-07 11:15|| Front Page Top

#6 What's the CV infection rate in cannabis smokers?

Posted by Skidmark 2020-06-07 11:20|| 2020-06-07 11:20|| Front Page Top

#7 ^I'd speculate it's the same as tobacco smokers - IMO, it's the tar in the lungs not the nicotine.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-06-07 11:24|| 2020-06-07 11:24|| Front Page Top

#8 The only violent behavior in stoners is who gets the last bag of Doritos. Study is BS

Posted by Frank G 2020-06-07 11:41|| 2020-06-07 11:41|| Front Page Top

#9 Don't know about X times more violent, but X times more impulsive? No doubt.

Posted by M. Murcek 2020-06-07 12:35|| 2020-06-07 12:35|| Front Page Top

#10 bull fucking shit

Posted by Chris 2020-06-07 14:01|| 2020-06-07 14:01|| Front Page Top

#11 I bake all the time (it helps when one of your clients grows weed!); doesn't mean I'm taking a run at T.J. Watt or Mike Tyson.

Posted by Raj 2020-06-07 15:17|| 2020-06-07 15:17|| Front Page Top

#12 This is probably because most criminals are weed smokers.

The typical pothead is lazy. Come to think of it, so are criminals.

Posted by Maggie Poodle6767 2020-06-07 17:34|| 2020-06-07 17:34|| Front Page Top

#13 Marijuana is a safe recreational form of dope and has some medicinal benefits. Far safer than alcohol or tobacco. While tobacco only hurts the user (don’t gimme no second hand smoke studies, Greta Thunberg, this comment is not dealing in hypotheticals) alcohol is not a safe form of dope. Alcohol is a destructive animal and can only be safely imbibed by the very few who use it limitedly and with personal self discipline. That being said, I have known and continue to know dope smokers who partake every day and some all day. I have yet to meet a dope smoker who gets high and says, “Let’s go out and do some bad deeds.” It’s all more creative in nature even if they are boringly repetitive. I have been involved in situations when alcohol took over where the exact comment was,”Let’s go do bad deeds.” I’m paraphrasing of course.

Too long/didn’t read:
I’m calling bullshit on this “study.”

Posted by Lowspark 2020-06-07 17:54|| 2020-06-07 17:54|| Front Page Top

#14 Gleaned from the article:

There is a difference between heavy users and occasional or social users, and also between those who take it up in junior high and high school versus those who take it up in adulthood. And finally, there is a difference between those who have a genetic tendency toward psychosis, which is triggered by cannabis use.

The fact that you who are not psychotic and not heavy users since age 14 are fine proves nothing. The question is what is different about people who are very violent.

From the article:

The team from Montreal University in Canada discovered 26 of the 30 studies showed a tendency towards higher levels of violence among cannabis users.

When they pooled the results – meaning they were looking at a combined group of 296,815 teens and adults under 30 – they found users were more than twice as likely (2.15 times) to have committed a violent offence as non-users.

Among ‘persistent heavy users’, the risk of violence was 2.81 times higher.

Reading this, I mourn again my dear friend’s son, whose violent paranoid schizophrenia was triggered by pot, and who may well spend the rest of his life in prison because he murdered his grandmother as a result. On medication he is a gentle soul with a brilliant mind, a mind that was broken because he firmly believed the same arguments presented here that pot is perfectly safe.

Posted by trailing wife 2020-06-07 18:05|| 2020-06-07 18:05|| Front Page Top

#15 Wow, going psycho and murdering Grandma because of a joint? That's right out of the plot of Reefer Madness!

Posted by Spike Grineng8188 2020-06-07 19:42|| 2020-06-07 19:42|| Front Page Top

#16 That is an absolutely sad story TW. I would argue that the young man’s violent paranoid schizophrenia was to blame. Recreational doping is a personal choice and the individual bears the full weight of responsibility for the actions that follow. One mustn’t throw the baby out with the bath water. A free society lives not by the actions of the least/lowest common denominator. Of course that begs the question of, “How free do we want to be?”

Posted by Lowspark 2020-06-07 20:18|| 2020-06-07 20:18|| Front Page Top

#17 ^ agreed. I may have partaken. It is NOT a violence-driver, it is actually the opposite for the EXTREME majority.

Posted by Frank G 2020-06-07 20:59|| 2020-06-07 20:59|| Front Page Top

#18 @ #16 & #17 - I agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by Clem 2020-06-07 21:06|| 2020-06-07 21:06|| Front Page Top

#19 Try and get a serious pothead to do ANYTHING... much less exert himself to do damage ...

Posted by Mercutio 2020-06-07 21:12|| 2020-06-07 21:12|| Front Page Top

#20 Causation or correlation?

Also, "teens and young adults". Well, duh, I should think that age group would cause the most trouble on a good day with or without the THC in 'em.

"cannabis use alters the brain" Well, duh, so does the beer I am drinking.

Posted by Clem 2020-06-07 21:15|| 2020-06-07 21:15|| Front Page Top

#21 Wow, going psycho and murdering Grandma because of a joint? That's right out of the plot of Reefer Madness!

And

I would argue that the young man’s violent paranoid schizophrenia was to blame.

The second first: Very probably he would have become schizophrenic anyway, Lowspark — he was at the right age for it to bloom. But because he was of that portion of the population that had that genetic variation, like having one blood type instead of another, when he took up smoking pot with his college friends the disease took the very worst form it could, rather than a milder form where he was capable of recognizing that he had a problem and could accept treatment that would allow him to continue on his path toward a career in microbiology and a normal life. Most schizophrenics do function quite well with treatment, and are high enough functioning without it to seek help. And his grandmother would not have bled to death in his grandfather’s arms, killed by her own kitchen knife, their daughter standing between them and her son while they all waited for the police to arrive.

She is one of my dearest friends, so I was privy to her struggles as she tried to deal with his deterioration, and then afterward. The effect of pot on a small portion of the population has long been known

As for the first: Spike Grineng8188 dear, please reread my first comment with an eye to what I actually wrote. I look forward to you thoughts afterward.

Posted by trailing wife 2020-06-07 22:42|| 2020-06-07 22:42|| Front Page Top

#22 Not the stoners I know. But then again they ain't crooks either.

Posted by DarthVader 2020-06-07 22:57|| 2020-06-07 22:57|| Front Page Top

#23 There are 5 major food groups. Consuming anything outside of those food groups is contrary to what consuming from within the food groups do for the well being of the mind, body and soul. I am a rare bird that thinks that, but I have been told I look much younger, stronger and healthier after a life tine of this philosophy. At 65 I have no grey hair, I do 12 mile jogs, I require no glasses, I feel 21, I bench press 240. I only inhale fresh, fresh air. I am always studying about healthier foods.

Posted by Crins Throlusing3119 2020-06-07 23:26|| 2020-06-07 23:26|| Front Page Top

#24 Sorry but after a decade in the oilfield, I don't trust anyone who takes drugs for fun, even the heavy drinkers. I refuse to get killed or maimed cause they had screw with their brain chemistry.

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