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2017-06-14 Britain

'IT WENT UP IN 15 MINUTES' London fire – Residents confirmed dead in Grenfell Tower apartment block blaze that left trapped families screaming for help as police warn building could COLLAPSE

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Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2017-06-14 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 This building went up very fast almost too fast. Are we sure it was a faulty refrigerator? How could this be determined so rapidly?

Posted by JohnQC 2017-06-14 11:09|| 2017-06-14 11:09|| Front Page Top

#2 Color me cynical:

Chillingly, back in November, while addressing the managed by tenant managers Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO), the group wrote: 'It is a truly terrifying thought but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the KCTMO, and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders.

'We believe that the KCTMO are an evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia who have no business to be charged with the responsibility of looking after the every day management of large scale social housing estates and that their sordid collusion with the RBKC Council is a recipe for a future major disaster.

'Unfortunately, the Grenfell Action Group have reached the conclusion that only an incident that results in serious loss of life of KCTMO residents will allow the external scrutiny to occur that will shine a light on the practices that characterise the malign governance of this non-functioning organisation.

Daily Mail link

Posted by SteveS 2017-06-14 11:42|| 2017-06-14 11:42|| Front Page Top

#3 I've seen this moving before.

Posted by Procopius2k 2017-06-14 13:19|| 2017-06-14 13:19|| Front Page Top

#4 errr..movie

Posted by Procopius2k 2017-06-14 13:19|| 2017-06-14 13:19|| Front Page Top

#5 Authorities warn against blaming
That stuff that was smoking and flaming:
"Don't jump to conclusions!
Just dump those delusions
Of flammophobe oxygen-shaming."

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2017-06-14 14:50|| 2017-06-14 14:50|| Front Page Top

#6 This building went up very fast almost too fast. Are we sure it was a faulty refrigerator? How could this be determined so rapidly?
Posted by: JohnQC

From the Sun: One witness told Sky they believed the fire was started by a faulty fridge.

Way down on the same page: Mahad Egal escaped from his flat on the fourth floor with his family, including two small children, just before 1am.

He was reduced to tears as he recounted the terrible events of the night on the Victoria Derbyshire show:

"The fire started on the fourth floor, my neighbour told me it was his fridge that exploded.

"We were one of the first 10 families who got out no later then 1.10am and at this point the fire was no higher than an average tree. "At first it seemed it was controllable, but really quickly the fire started to rise as the cladding caught fire."

We'll have to wait for the fire forensic team to finish their investigations before we'll know the cause for sure.

Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2017-06-14 15:02|| 2017-06-14 15:02|| Front Page Top

#7 Work accident?

Posted by Iblis 2017-06-14 15:02|| 2017-06-14 15:02|| Front Page Top

#8 Claiming a specific cause such as fridge explosion would certainly be the best way to mask a work accident. The fridge story would get around and around and be the 'truth' before experts ever had a chance to sift through the rubble.

I'm not saying it was a work accident, but playing what if.

Posted by rjschwarz 2017-06-14 15:13|| 2017-06-14 15:13|| Front Page Top

#9 Either way the landlord's are toast. Then again, this is Britain.

Posted by Charles 2017-06-14 15:31|| 2017-06-14 15:31|| Front Page Top

#10 An exploding fridge?

What was in those leftover Burritos, C4?

Either this is just a hyperbolic statement about a sudden flame from a short circuit or work accident. Refrigerators don't explode and aren't gas powered either.

I'll bet on some sort of arson given the tenant management fights I've read about.

Posted by AlanC 2017-06-14 15:51|| 2017-06-14 15:51|| Front Page Top

#11 In the SFbay area in the 70s-80s we had a large number of islanders (Tongan and Somaian) brought over by the Mormons. I remember hearing of a number of fires caused by these fellows roasting pigs inside like they did back home.

I was kid, this might have been untrue, but the story sticks in my head and I can't help but wonder what the demographics of the tower were.

Posted by rjschwarz 2017-06-14 17:31|| 2017-06-14 17:31|| Front Page Top

#12 And which building inspectors and other public officials took bribes to look the other way?

Posted by Jomong Bourbon9156 2017-06-14 18:20|| 2017-06-14 18:20|| Front Page Top

#13 At one time gas powered fridges were common in the UK. It could have been a very old one.

Posted by phil_b 2017-06-14 18:53|| 2017-06-14 18:53|| Front Page Top

#14 It appears cladding added to make the building more 'energy efficient' was to blame.

Posted by phil_b 2017-06-14 19:10|| 2017-06-14 19:10|| Front Page Top

#15 demographics of the tower

Traditional Labourite tenantry,
Enriched by the immigrant pedigree,
Has presently flowered
Into an "empowered,"
Uplifted but ungifted peasantry.

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2017-06-14 19:22|| 2017-06-14 19:22|| Front Page Top

#16 Common occurrence in urban life.

Posted by Regular joe 2017-06-14 20:11|| 2017-06-14 20:11|| Front Page Top

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