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2014-06-06 Government

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Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-06 03:08|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 If one reads the Federalist Papers, one of the main arguments for having a central government of some authority was the existence of national defense. Mercer, obviously never read the intellectual arguments for the existence of the country. If you chuck national defense, then there is no reason to have central government beyond what was the old Common Market arrangement of Europe.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-06-06 08:26|| 2014-06-06 08:26|| Front Page Top

#2 I understand and am sympathetic to Mercer's bias, but it is still a bias.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-06 08:42|| 2014-06-06 08:42|| Front Page Top

#3 We could have avoided a couple wars in our history had our military been seen to be prepared.
Maybe. War of 1812 and Korea? Strong enough in Vietnam but maybe not prepared?

Posted by Shipman 2014-06-06 10:14|| 2014-06-06 10:14|| Front Page Top

#4 Korea, yes, but we deliberately provoked the War of 1812 for internal reasons, and a substantial standing army would only have encouraged the British to pre-position regiments in anticipation of the attack. Note that the war was driven by and popular among westerners and southerners with no economic or territorial interest in the border disputes and impressment controversies which were the nominal causa belli. They were just in an expansive and pugnacious mood and wanted to seize Canada, drive out the British traders on the southern frontier, and resolve the Indian wars on both frontiers.

Perhaps the initial disasters on the Canadian fronts would have been less comprehensive if the armies had been composed of regulars instead of an undisciplined rabble of volunteers, but they would have been facing a more-professional enemy as well.

Posted by Mitch H. 2014-06-06 10:57|| 2014-06-06 10:57|| Front Page Top

#5 we deliberately provoked the War of 1812 for internal reasons...

If those internal reasons were settlement of the Northwest Territories (Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan). The Brits were exploiting the native Americans to act as a buffer to stop it. Actually, not much different that us supply the Mujahedin in Afghanistan. Proxies, pawns in the game.

Read up on the Battle of Fallen Timbers, particular the part of chasing the natives to the gates of a British fort on American territory. They thought the people who provided them gun and shot would shelter them after doing their business along the frontier for so long.

As late as Harrison campaign in 1811, the frontier press tagged the Brits with their interference in American 'internal' affairs with terms like the Anglo-Savage War. "The war on the Wabash is purely British" said the Lexington Reporter, "the scalping knife and tomahawk of British savages, is now, again devastating our frontiers". - Lexington Reporter, Nov. 23, 1811 and March 12, 1812. The grievances had been long in coming, partly because way in distant Washington (by contemporary time of travel) both money and priorities were low, something to be put off till you had no choice but to act, something left to fester.

Is it much different than the view that the problem with Afghanistan today really is the issue of Pakistan being the base of operation, support and sympathy for the other belligerent.

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BTW, the 'regulars' in 1812 were just as much rabble as the militia. It wouldn't be till Winfield Scott started to implement some sort of training program on the Niagara frontier that some semblance of a force more in line with standing European armies would appear in the American ranks. Most of those would be expended at Lundy's Lane.

It would always be an issue/problem for the army, used extensively as a frontier constabulary, never prepared to fight a conventional war.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-06-06 11:38|| 2014-06-06 11:38|| Front Page Top

#6 The Sole purpose of that Executive Branch is the security of This Nation. A strong Military is a no brainer is this pursuit.

Go home mercer, you're drunk

Posted by newc 2014-06-06 13:53|| 2014-06-06 13:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Haven't seen this much 1812 Love in a long damn time.

Gotta dig it.
/Hails Winfield Scott

Posted by Shipman 2014-06-06 14:58|| 2014-06-06 14:58|| Front Page Top

#8 Are all liberal "intellectuals" such light weights? Geez, why can't we have libs that can quote Kant or Nietzsche or Proust or Plato? Must they all blather about how terrible and immoral our military is?

By my measure, had we been better prepared in 1941, we, perhaps could have given the Imperial War Staff in Tokyo and the Reichskanzlerei come pause before pulling the trigger on WWII.

I also believe a little more heavy handed diplomacy by Truman might have stalled Korea and a little more heavy handed behavior by Clinton might have prevented 9/11.

Our problems with China and throughout the Middle East are because no one FEARS us anymore.

Obama is not complex and nuisance in his thinking, he is indecisive and a typical peace at any cost liberal who does not think any liberty or freedom is worth fighting for.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2014-06-06 18:13|| 2014-06-06 18:13|| Front Page Top

#9 ...well, we know by their actions, they certainly have no use for the Constitution. What's there to defend other than absolute power at home?

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-06-06 18:23|| 2014-06-06 18:23|| Front Page Top

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