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Liberals Asked to Choose 'Positive, Three-Point Agenda'
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Posted by Steve 2006-05-31 09:25|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 "......and a Partridge in a Pear Tree."
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-31 10:16||   2006-05-31 10:16|| Front Page Top

#2 Had they put national security on the list (at all) and chosen a balanced budget and energy independence, they would have a sportin chance. Without security, the rest is meaningless.

Liberals are top-notch at picking a losing agenda, aren't they?
Posted by Jules 2006-05-31 10:20||   2006-05-31 10:20|| Front Page Top

#3 Even with the silliness these are more options than the right is giving us.

Citizenship and Social Security for Illegal alliens, totally endorsed by President Bush.

Stupid anti-Gay-Marriage position. A; not worth a constitutional amendmaent, B; discriminatory in the extreme.

Ridiculous flag-burning ruckus. Already settled and not contributing to your security.

Teaching of Creationism or intelligent design as science.

I think that
Living wage
Energy
and
OUR Rights
are more important /
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 10:40||   2006-05-31 10:40|| Front Page Top

#4 A living wage for all

By means of confiscating it from those of us who earned it.

Global leadership through diplomacy

Ah. The Chamberlain model.

Verifiable, accurate elections

From the party that brought you the Chicago machine, a decades-long record of election fraud, and the 2000 Florida fight -- including the purposeful blocking of military ballots.

High quality education for all

From the people who made the US education system what it is today!

Balanced federal budget

From the people who call an increase in spending a cut!

Health care for all

AKA "government control over who lives and who dies" with an added frisson of Democrat/Union apparatchiks having access to your medical records.

Publicly funded elections

Welfare for the political class!

Preserve our natural resources

Welfare for the Greens!

Energy independence: clean, renewable sources

Welfare for the Saudis and their comrade Chavez!

Restored constitutional rights

Well, except for the 1st and 2nd Amendments. And maybe a few others -- they'll get back to us on them.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-05-31 10:44|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-05-31 10:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Gene the (appropriately) moron -- "Living Wage" means increased welfare and yet another jack in the minimum wage. All it ever does is force the marginally skilled out of the work force by making them too expensive to employ.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-05-31 10:45|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-05-31 10:45|| Front Page Top

#6 Gene, I couldn't disagree more about the so-called 'living wage'. It's proponents are ignorant of basic economics as well as historical fact. Try this link for a more definitive argument:

HTTP://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4173
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-31 10:53||   2006-05-31 10:53|| Front Page Top

#7  living wage for all

By means of confiscating it from those of us who earned it.

Uh no.. Living wage means just that. It is not right that a person can work 40-50 hours a week and still not make enough money to afford a place to sleep or decent food. Been there done that.
Nobody wants to take anything from you jsut to get paid enough to live.
Competeing with illegal aliens just makes the problem worse.
Do the math.



High quality education for all

From the people who made the US education system what it is today!

As oppsed to the people who want to dismantle it completely.

Balanced federal budget

From the people who call an increase in spending a cut!

Again do the math. You cannot have an expensive war and cut taxes.
Shit is falling apart here. buying bigger cars so that you can cruise over the mess is not an answer.


Health care for all

AKA "government control over who lives and who dies" with an added frisson of Democrat/Union apparatchiks having access to your medical records.


How is this worse than corporate profit margin stockholder CFo's of Healthcare insurance companies deciding what you can and can't have and the collusion they are often in with employers ?

Preserve our natural resources

Welfare for the Greens!

You are against decent water, air , trees etc. ?

Energy independence: clean, renewable sources

Welfare for the Saudis and their comrade Chavez!

How would becoming energy independednt create welfare for oil producing countries ?
Let 'em sell pistachios.

Restored constitutional rights

Well, except for the 1st and 2nd Amendments. And maybe a few others -- they'll get back to us on them.

I really used to like the 4th amendment. Too bad huh ?

I guess our MExican AG isn't going to restore that one.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 10:54||   2006-05-31 10:54|| Front Page Top

#8 Gene, we've done the math. There's absolutely no evidence that raising the minimum wage helps the poor. History and economic facts prove just the opposite.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-31 10:57||   2006-05-31 10:57|| Front Page Top

#9 mcsgeek I appreciate your comments and on some macro level it might be true,
But if you are on your own, and working some poor-ass job, maybe you'd feel different.

I remember once when I was in that position .
It was most unpleasant.
Couldn't pay my $175 one-room apt. rent and eat and keep a
used Honda.
Luckily I moved in with friends.

I don't know exactly where the disconnect is but it seems absurd
that wages and prices are so out of wack at the low end.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 11:04||   2006-05-31 11:04|| Front Page Top

#10 High quality education for all

From the people who made the US education system what it is today!

As oppsed to the people who want to dismantle it completely.

Who said anything about dismantling? Open it up to competition, get the damn NEA out of there (they are not interested in your child's education!) and hold schools responsible.

You are against decent water, air , trees etc. ?

Are you saying the greens are? Sorry but lately they are more interested in their own political power then the 'environment'. Look at Al Gore's actions and not his words to see what I mean.

I really used to like the 4th amendment. Too bad huh ?

What ever happened to the 10th admendment? You know the one which says that any power not specifically given to the Feds in the consitution is reserved for the people and the states?

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-05-31 11:16||   2006-05-31 11:16|| Front Page Top

#11 I appreciate that. I struggled at one time, like alot of people. Practically lived on boxed mac and cheese. Over the years however, with lots of study and a little more experience, I've concluded it's the 'living wage' socialists who actually exacerbated the problem. Would a pay raise help a particular person? Of course it would. But a mandated 'living wage' would simply devastate the economy that the working poor are barely clinging to already.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-31 11:20||   2006-05-31 11:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Gene, have you ever hired anyone yourself ? Have you ever observed a motivated individual boring into his job without hesitation ? I think not. I think you wouldn't know a stud worker from a sack of rice. Some people have what it takes to get ahead. What better system than one which allows anybody to work their way to the top. This is it. America, the land of the free, the home of the brave, and the home of the chickenshits.
Posted by wxjames 2006-05-31 11:25||   2006-05-31 11:25|| Front Page Top

#13 A company I worked with had a guy in the mailroom who got his annual review and and a raise of about 4%. He was extraordinarily unhappy with the raise and complained to anybody who would listen that "he will never be able to afford a house if the company won't pay him more money".

Gene: Some jobs just aren't worth it. If you want to afford a good place to live and good food, get a real job. Leave the minimum wage for teenagers.
Posted by DoDo 2006-05-31 11:55||   2006-05-31 11:55|| Front Page Top

#14 Raising the minimum wage actually hurts everyone. Prices will rise since employeers need to make up the cost of the higher wages. The people making minimum wage end up right back where they were before. I used to work a minimum wage job and could barely make ends meet. I decided it sucked, got a loan from the government for an education, got educated and now am a happy middle class employee. If you don't like low wages, do something about your life. Otherwise, sit down and shut the fuck up.
Posted by DarthVader 2006-05-31 11:55||   2006-05-31 11:55|| Front Page Top

#15 Gene, have you ever hired anyone yourself ?

Yes.

Have you ever observed a motivated individual boring into his job without hesitation ?

Actually yes. And I learned a lot from him making me less of a chickenshit than I would otherwise be.

I guess all in all I'm ok for a 10th grade dropout.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 12:04||   2006-05-31 12:04|| Front Page Top

#16 It is foolish to think the world owes you a living and that money grows on trees.

It is stupid to lack compassion for people who do everything they should, work hard, sacrifice much, and then have to listen to others in comfortable lives tell them about how lazy and whiny they are being.
Posted by Jules 2006-05-31 12:28||   2006-05-31 12:28|| Front Page Top

#17 Well said Jules. Individual compassion toward those less fortunate is an admirable and essential trait for the civilized man. But government mandated compassion is not compassion at all.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-31 12:39||   2006-05-31 12:39|| Front Page Top

#18 Living Wage isn't good enough. We need A Really Good Living Wage. This will cover pony feed and the vet bills.
Posted by 6 2006-05-31 12:49||   2006-05-31 12:49|| Front Page Top

#19 Dude, is the pony an illegal alien? Well, okay then.
Posted by Captain America 2006-05-31 13:04||   2006-05-31 13:04|| Front Page Top

#20 Everyone in school gets a "C" so no one feels above anyone else or inferior.
Posted by Captain America 2006-05-31 13:05||   2006-05-31 13:05|| Front Page Top

#21 "But government mandated compassion is not compassion at all."

Actually it is, in a sense; it's what Walter Williams called "animal compassion" (as opposed to human compassion) in a tight little essay he wrote a decade ago, about the failed War On Poverty.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-05-31 13:07||   2006-05-31 13:07|| Front Page Top

#22 I want, like, FREE POT, man! And all other kinds of free stuff, man! And, like, I want somebody else to pay for it, man!
Is that, like, three things?
Posted by tu3031 2006-05-31 13:11||   2006-05-31 13:11|| Front Page Top

#23 I don't see any "sexy" campaign issues here. Even if you agree with the items, they're too wonky to run an effective campaign.
All I see are the "usual suspects": a leftist's wetdream of the Ideal Society™ (no resemblance to reality included).
Posted by Spot">Spot  2006-05-31 13:14||   2006-05-31 13:14|| Front Page Top

#24 It's a hard world
To get a break in.
All the Good Things
Have been taken...
But girl there are ways
To make certain these days
Though I'm dressed in these rags
I'll wear sable, someday...
Hear what I say!
Posted by Chang Ominesing2659 2006-05-31 13:15||   2006-05-31 13:15|| Front Page Top

#25 It's nice to know I can still provoke discussion.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 13:15||   2006-05-31 13:15|| Front Page Top

#26 It's a sad day for liberal advocacy groups when legalized marijuana doesn't even make the top ten.
Posted by Matt 2006-05-31 13:16||   2006-05-31 13:16|| Front Page Top

#27 I luvs ear worms...

I like the "Restored constitutional rights" item. When challenged, they can never quite put their finger on what rights they've lost. But they're pretty sure that The Man has Done Them Wrong... somehow. I chalk it up to an IQ deficiency.
Posted by Chang Ominesing2659 2006-05-31 13:17||   2006-05-31 13:17|| Front Page Top

#28 "choose three big, positive ideas"

1). A new Senate Minority Leader
2). A new House Minority Leader
3). A new Party Chairman
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-05-31 13:19||   2006-05-31 13:19|| Front Page Top

#29 This is not a meme

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Shredded. Nobody (including me) minds if they shred it on the right people. There is doubt about the system's ability to discriminate.
Like searching everyone getting on an airplane. Making everyone remove articles of clothing and expose their personal items etc.
Like how I am offended thyat I have to bring 4 ID's including a passport to RENEW my driver's license but if a cop stops an illegal with a forged license he is liable to let him go rather than risk the hassle.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 13:23||   2006-05-31 13:23|| Front Page Top

#30 It's a sad day for liberal advocacy groups when legalized marijuana doesn't even make the top ten.

A sad day for us all that there are so many things wrong that it has dropped off the list.
But look at the bright side. It'll be a dark day before you have too any queers getting married and after all doesn't that really help us all ?
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 13:28||   2006-05-31 13:28|| Front Page Top

#31 F*ckin' A.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-31 13:28||   2006-05-31 13:28|| Front Page Top

#32 By Gene: Uh no.. Living wage means just that. It is not right that a person can work 40-50 hours a week and still not make enough money to afford a place to sleep or decent food. Been there done that.
Apparently you aren't doing it anymore, though, eh? Good for you! (and that's the point)
Posted by eLarson 2006-05-31 13:43|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2006-05-31 13:43|| Front Page Top

#33 Oh boy, the absolutists are out!

And here I was feeling a tad sympathetic toward you. Silly me.

I wasn't around in the late 1700's, but I can remember not needing to lock the doors at bedtime, but that doesn't mean I'm a idiotic mark who lives in a freaking dreamworld where bad shit doesn't happen to good people. Common sense comes into the picture when you're not posturing for the peanut gallery.

How do you propose to identify the right people from the wrong people for your selective view? No, you can't do that (profile) - it violates that very same principle which you hold up.

I already know all the worthy idealistic quotes. None of them will bring back anyone. In the real world, you either get real or get others killed. I was a cop for 9 years - kiss my ass.
Posted by Chang Ominesing2659 2006-05-31 13:46||   2006-05-31 13:46|| Front Page Top

#34 My three agenda points would be:

1) A declaration by The Church (any church) that Bushitler (or Chainey) is really the Anti-Christ.

2) Peace in Our Time. (hat tip to Neville C!)

3) Free beer. (And not that watered down light beer crap)

4) Ponies for everyone! ( yeah, I know I said three. Suddenly we are being rational?)
Posted by SteveS 2006-05-31 13:51||   2006-05-31 13:51|| Front Page Top

#35 How do you propose to identify the right people from the wrong people for your selective view?

That's a good question. What do you think, expert ?

No, you can't do that (profile) - it violates that very same principle which you hold up.

As I said, I don't mind if you do it right but they don't.
After they passed the Patriot Act the highest profile arrest and conviction was of Tommy Chong.
BZZZT!
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 13:53||   2006-05-31 13:53|| Front Page Top

#36 "High quality education for all"

Oh? They're going to bring in school choice? The ONLY proven method to increase education quality. That and wresting control of the teachers away from the unions, and teaching fundamentals and enforcing classroom discipline.


Nice to see the Kos Kids finally seeing the light.

Or did they mean more of the smae - more tx money spent, less education done, and arguably less prepared and less innformed "graduates" as the result....

Heh.
Posted by Oldspook 2006-05-31 13:59||   2006-05-31 13:59|| Front Page Top

#37 You're an idiot - you made no point. You cannot parade the 4th Amendment from the Bill of Rights and then violate it at the same time, dipshit.

As for who has been nabbed under the more common sense provisions of the Patriot Act they include most or all of the jihadists arrested over the last 5 years. Do you even know what it entails? I think not. Tommy Chong? You are an idiot.

BZZZT.
Posted by Chang Ominesing2659 2006-05-31 13:59||   2006-05-31 13:59|| Front Page Top

#38 Yeah I sound like an idiot.
I admit it.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 14:07||   2006-05-31 14:07|| Front Page Top

#39 Look, I believe in the 4th Amendment, but we apply shit to everyone because the judges and lawyers own the system's results. Just imagine putting in 300-400 hours on an arrest, much of it off the clock, only to see some judge dismiss the case.

It's why I quit.

Given MY druthers...
Posted by Chang Ominesing2659 2006-05-31 14:11||   2006-05-31 14:11|| Front Page Top

#40 What they mean by High Quality Education is smaller classrooms'. (Translations: more teachers and more fees being paid to the unions - also more people paying the 'DNC' tax to the democratic party (if they want to or not)).

Classrooms have been getting smaller over the past' 40 years - yet schools have been declining over that same 40. Smaller classrooms isn't the problem.

Heres how to fix it:

1) Open up the system to charter and school choice.

2) Get the damn unions out of there. The unions can represent the teachers in contract negociations but thats *IT*.

3) In fact end the union's protection and mandated union membership / fees. (as in Washington State where you *will* pay the union and the DNC tax or you will not teach!).

4) Teacher and Administrative promotions based on *merit* and not *senority*.

5) Dump tenure (or just about the same thing) for teachers who cannot be fired unless they kill or rape someone. Give the administrators the right to fire people.
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-05-31 14:19||   2006-05-31 14:19|| Front Page Top

#41 In fairness to Gene, he did not resort to simple name-calling toward those he disagreed with. And it's Gene the MORON, not idiot.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-05-31 14:22||   2006-05-31 14:22|| Front Page Top

#42 "Global leadership through diplomacy"

Diplomats do not Lead. They seek consensus and compromise through endless babble.

"Publicly funded elections"

Uuhh?? Isn't that the Politburo and about every other Marxist/Leninist Dictatorship?

"Energy independence: clean, renewable sources"

Nuclear power? Right? Off shore drilling in the Gulf of Mex., ANWAR, Could be a winner then. Not.... Solar and Wind Power will ALLWAYS be a technology for the future as using these products still takes up more money than they pay. Not to mention the NIMBY problem. Bio Fuels, Ethanol, Saw Grass, etc. are closer though we will need to feel A LOT more pain to make them practical. Hydrogen you say? that might work in a 100 year plan.

"Restored constitutional rights
Winner !!!! 2nd Ammendment!!........ Oh, not that one??? WTF?
Posted by TomAnon 2006-05-31 14:26||   2006-05-31 14:26|| Front Page Top

#43 None of the above points would provide better education.
I have a 12 year-old daughter.. ( 99.8% on Iowa Basics)
My wife is a Teacher.
We lived in a bad neighborhood.
I refused to send my kid to the school up the street where there was a desk for her paid by my taxes.
I sent her to the next town over and paid for it till we could move there.
I didn't ask for my taxes back. I excersized the choice I already have.
None of the points you stress would make the kids , THE KIDS, in that school any less scary.
Maybe replace the parents.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 14:27||   2006-05-31 14:27|| Front Page Top

#44 Moron idiot asshole whatever I have my moments.
Considering I got banned from Free Republic and DU I feel very happy with Rantburger's tolerance in general and salute you all.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 14:31||   2006-05-31 14:31|| Front Page Top

#45 You should hear some of the names I've been called, lol. :) Sometimes it went on 20 or 30 minutes. I never laughed so hard. Remember the scene in The Long Kiss Goodnight where Samuel Jackson tells Geena Davis that he used to think she was some goody two shoes saying "Gosh darnit, I burned the muffins!" but now she goes into a bar and 10 minutes later sailors come running out? Lol. I know what he meant.
Posted by Chang Ominesing2659 2006-05-31 14:38||   2006-05-31 14:38|| Front Page Top

#46 And I want, like, FREE COLOR TV's like the Indians get, man...

Thousands of Indians to get color TVs -- for free

CHENNAI, India (Reuters) - The government of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu said Tuesday it would float a global tender for color television sets that will be given free to tens of thousands of poor people.
New state Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi said the 14-inch (35-cm) TV sets, which he had promised to people living below the poverty line in the run-up to local assembly elections this month, would be distributed from mid-September.
The 83-year-old leader, who wrested power from his opponent J. Jayalalithaa in the elections, also promised rice at 2 rupees ($0.43) per kg for the poor.
About 30 percent of India's more than one billion people live below the poverty line.

And they deserve it because the white man, like, took all their land...
Posted by tu3031 2006-05-31 14:39||   2006-05-31 14:39|| Front Page Top

#47 I can't wait for their final 3. Will they include a disclaimer excusing them from the usual democrat corruption effect. Gary Condit, Grey Davis, William Jefferson, William Jefferson Clinton, Robert Toricelli, McGreevey, McKinney, Pat Kennedy, Fat Kennedy, Nagin, Burger, Wilson/Plame, Jackson, Sharpton, and a cast of thousands.
Posted by wxjames 2006-05-31 14:45||   2006-05-31 14:45|| Front Page Top

#48 hey buddy, the Moron seat is taken.
Newsflash: 14" TV's ARE almost free.
Even for ner'dowells like me.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 14:46||   2006-05-31 14:46|| Front Page Top

#49 Awwwww,,, Toricelli was my guy. I miss him.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 14:46||   2006-05-31 14:46|| Front Page Top

#50 A living wage for all
...and Mom. And apple pie.

Global leadership through diplomacy
Or, as we call it, the "Planes through Skyscrapers" Plan.

Verifiable, accurate elections
Elections Republicans don't win.

High quality education for all
Especially the teacher's unions.

Balanced federal budget
Does the military really need all those guns?

Health care for all
Don't worry. You won't have to pay for it. The Federal Government will.

Publicly funded elections
Kucinich-Sharpton 2008.

Preserve our natural resources
Six buck a gallon gas? The caribou thank you.

Energy independence: clean, renewable sources
Except for windmill farms in Nantucket Sound. Some "people" say that would be a bad idea.

Restored constitutional rights
I wasn't aware that I'd lost any.
Posted by tu3031 2006-05-31 15:15||   2006-05-31 15:15|| Front Page Top

#51 Gene - living wages are working really well for Europe.....

May I suggest either Dr. Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics, A Citizens Guide to the Economy or PJ O'Rourke's Eat the Rich?

All "living wages" do is establish an underclass.

America's about incentive and moving up, not staying stagnant.
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-05-31 15:18||   2006-05-31 15:18|| Front Page Top

#52 May I suggest either Dr. Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics, A Citizens Guide to the Economy or PJ O'Rourke's Eat the Rich?


Thomas Sowell advocates public education till third grade. "once they can read the sign on my lawn that says "Keep out" that's enough for them"
Practically a direct quote . What a fuckin' humanitarian this peice of work is !

All "living wages" do is establish an underclass.

And we wouldn't want to do that being as we just established an undeclass right under the old underclass.

America's about incentive and moving up, not staying stagnant.

As I said I dropped out in 1971. I make my modest living doing digital video and DVD authoring from my home office.
I think I've kept up reasonably and not really stagnated till recently.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 15:27||   2006-05-31 15:27|| Front Page Top

#53 MoveOn.org said nearly 10,000 people gathered in living rooms and dining rooms across the nation last week "to talk about the goals we share for our country."

How come I got a mental image of a couple hundred (that's close to "nearly 10,000" right?) geeks in their parent's basement (+ Al Franken) typing away on the moveon.org server? Guess we now see just how big the "far left" movement really is...don't know why it gets so much attention.
Posted by BA 2006-05-31 15:29||   2006-05-31 15:29|| Front Page Top

#54 I hear ya Gene. Those are the kids - perhaps introduce some dicipline at the schools would help (I can hear the ACLU braying now...). Outside of the kids I think the above would improve the quality of the school.

Personally I think everyone, and I mean everyone should pay something for school. Be it $50 month or $10 a month. Make the parents actually have to pay (even when they are on welfare) *something* and they will *value* the school more and perhaps pay more attention to their kids (homework, etc..) and perhaps make sure they are prepared to learn when they get to school.

My niece went through school and some of the teachers were great! And some were simply 'putting in time' and couldn't care less. Unfortunately they get rated on their senority and not their merit.

My sister and her husband are both elementry school teachers who also taught over seas (last in Abi Dhabi) and they said that the students there were far better prepared. When they arrived at school they were ready to learn. Here hanf the students are ill-prepared so the teacher has to take time to help them.
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-05-31 15:35||   2006-05-31 15:35|| Front Page Top

#55 Personally I think everyone, and I mean everyone should pay something for school. Be it $50 month or $10 a month.

This is part of the fallacy of a "voucher system" As a homeowner I know I am paying 5-7k .
Yet they always refer to that "innercity parent" who needs vouchers to go to a better school.
But this theoretical person is an apartment dweller. Given the benefit of the doubt and a $2000 voucher she is still short by two thirds for a PUBLIC scholl never mind a private 8-12k per year school .
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 15:41||   2006-05-31 15:41|| Front Page Top

#56 Gene: If you send your young scholar to a private school as I did, you get the double treat of property taxes and private school tuition as well as child transport. I paid gladly, as do most. In the State of Georgia the school taxes are removed as the homeowner reaches age 65. Some folks ain't as lucky as Georgians.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-05-31 15:45||   2006-05-31 15:45|| Front Page Top

#57 Lucky Georgians.
I did all that stuff except we uysed a public school and then 'migrated' to that area later.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 15:48||   2006-05-31 15:48|| Front Page Top

#58 Regards apartment dwellers, commercial property is (at least in the states I've lived in) taxed at a higher rate by school districts... that's being passed along, of course.
Posted by Chang Ominesing2659 2006-05-31 15:49||   2006-05-31 15:49|| Front Page Top

#59 Same here Gene. The winters are mild, and the locals are fun to watch. No even 'cold, instant grits without butter' could move me now. (the common antidote for Yankees who stay in Ga. too long)
Posted by Besoeker 2006-05-31 15:52||   2006-05-31 15:52|| Front Page Top

#60 Does this mean they're going to overthrow CFR and restore the 1st Amendment when Congress shall make no law?
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-05-31 16:02||   2006-05-31 16:02|| Front Page Top

#61 Regards apartment dwellers, commercial property is (at least in the states I've lived in) taxed at a higher rate by school districts... that's being passed along, of course.

That's why I allow $2000. I cannot see a low-income aprtment dweller in an inner city (socalled) getting more than that..
They would then be "on their own" to find an appropriate school.
I feel that in many cases the 2k would dissappear and those kids would end up on the street.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 16:04||   2006-05-31 16:04|| Front Page Top

#62 They actually mess up the grits to get the FOPs (fuckin' old people) to go home ?
Pityful!
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 16:07||   2006-05-31 16:07|| Front Page Top

#63 --How would becoming energy independednt create welfare for oil producing countries ?
Let 'em sell pistachios.--

Saudis have already said massive transfers of wealth will be needed once oil's not a necessary.

And the googoos will not let us tell them to go pound their sand, they'd be out of work.
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-05-31 16:10||   2006-05-31 16:10|| Front Page Top

#64 Thus their diabolical plan to convert the world to Isklam thus guaranteeing and endless supply of Haj tourists.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 16:11||   2006-05-31 16:11|| Front Page Top

#65 Gene may eba self proclaimed Moron, but he made a good point about education.

It's the parents. End of story.

That's why private schools do such a good job educating children. Not just because they don't have bad teachers protected by unions, but because thier parents care about the childs education. That's why the child is in private education. The parents cared enough to send them.

Home schooling can be very good also if the parents know what they are doing.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-05-31 16:41||   2006-05-31 16:41|| Front Page Top

#66 It's the parents. End of story.

Darlins, it's always the parents. Been that way since Grog started the first plow skool.


Posted by 6 2006-05-31 17:59||   2006-05-31 17:59|| Front Page Top

#67 Of course private schools have to compete (1), and are often not run by unions (2 & 3) and promote based on merit (4 & 5). And if the parents of a district are engaged with the school (and are allowed to be engaged by the school admin) it certainly helps!

I agree its the parents. I think having the parents pay something for schooling might, just might, get them to _value_ the school and not treat it as a glorified babysitting service.

Also the students who are prepared, and ready to learn suffer when a teacher has to take time out to help a ill-prepared student - or has to take time to handle a misbehaving brat who's parents simply don't give a flying F.
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-05-31 18:13||   2006-05-31 18:13|| Front Page Top

#68 That's all very nice but it's about how people live and what they teach their children at home.
Contrary to what you might think teachers unions do not create 8 year old felons, bad parents or no parents do.
Posted by Gene the Moron 2006-05-31 19:09||   2006-05-31 19:09|| Front Page Top

#69 Aka: 1. Universal Welfarism
2. Anti-US OWG - "America must obey the
World community/UNO", i.e. payout without
asking where the $$$ went.
3. Democrats-Leftists must always win,
legit or illegit.
4. More $$$ to hire fewer, unqualified
teachers to teach PC, stratified,
anti-discriminatory discriminatory,
Alternatist-Surreal agendas to
larger class sizes that teachers
can't handle.
5. Break elex promises while pretending
balanced budget + surplus was achieved.
Disavow after leaving Oval Office - claim nationwide that iff he was himself,
he woouldn't believe himself either.
6. Be like FRANCE that can't bury the dead
or prevent payless Paydays, Work Weeks, or
vacation-employment benefits, etal. for
Public employees or regular citizens.
7. Govt. pays all elex costs for
candidates.
8. Buy togas, drive camels, use canoes, etal.
GET A HOSS, YOU D*** FASCIST MALE BRUTE
YOU! POOR POTUS JOHN KERRY ONLY HAS FIVE
MANSIONS THANKS TO UNCARING DECADENT
GREEDY FASCIST REPUBLICANS LIKE YOUSE.
9. Free Market = based only in USA + Fed/
Govt assumes all bottom-line debt.
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL ANTI-COMPETITION,
EXCESSIVE PAY=LOW WORK/PRODUCTIVITY UNION
AND MAFIA SYNDICATE.
10. Govt-Subsidized National Cantons/Enclaves
e.g. Legal Polymory-Polygamy, Legal
Pedophilia, Legal Murder, Legal Incest,
Gay-Lesbian Marriage, Legal Teacher-
Student Sex [In-School/Class], ....etc.

ALL THE THINGS TO GIVE AND PROMISE BEFORE POYUS HILLARY, OR MURTHA, TAKES IT AWAY FROM AMERICANS IN THE NAME OF DEFICIT BUDGETING, AND DEFICIT -INDUCED GOOD SOCIALISM AND NATIONAL-FISCAL-ECON CONSERVATISM, i.e. America can longer afford anything.

Its NOT Communism or SOcialism, but "Anti-Fascism", i.e. anti-Rightist SOCIALISM; NOT Conservatism but "Alternativism/ALternatism"; NOT Centralism or Totalitarianism but "TRIANGULATION",
.................@!? GOD HELP US ALL, THE LEFTIES AND COMMUNISTS DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP DUBYA FROM MOVING AMERICA TOWARDS COMMUNISM, SOCIALISM, TOTALITARIANISM, AND OWG - the RINO's don't know how to stop their RINO-isms, the CINO's their CINO-isms, the Lefties and Commies to stop their Leftist and Communist Amrikkkan victory over America. THE HORROR, THE HORROR, THE HORROR ....
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-06-01 00:02||   2006-06-01 00:02|| Front Page Top

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