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2007-05-29 Home Front: Politix

Proposals to execute pedophiles make headway in US

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Posted by gorb 2007-05-29 03:58|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 Works for me.

Posted by Mike 2007-05-29 07:35|| 2007-05-29 07:35|| Front Page Top

#2 Life sentence in an open prison unsegregated from other inmates would probably achieve the same effect and remove those burdensome qualms some people have with misplaced morality.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-05-29 08:10|| 2007-05-29 08:10|| Front Page Top

#3 I have a better idea: in case a reincident sex offender rapes then a child hang the people who liberated him/did not sentence him to life. And add a dozen bleeding heart "antideath penalty/ anti life without parole" people for good measure.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-05-29 09:00|| 2007-05-29 09:00|| Front Page Top

#4 Death sentence will cure a pedophile.

Posted by Snearong Tojo2045 2007-05-29 09:05|| 2007-05-29 09:05|| Front Page Top

#5 I'd prefer to reserve the death sentence to someone who murders his victim. Give them an incentive not to kill the witness.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2007-05-29 09:18|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2007-05-29 09:18|| Front Page Top

#6 Sounds draconian but there is NO cure for pedophilia NONE, ZIPPO, NADA. The only SURE way to stop them from repeating the crime is to keep them locked up or remove them from the population.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2007-05-29 09:50|| 2007-05-29 09:50|| Front Page Top

#7 remove their twanger

Posted by Captain America 2007-05-29 10:07|| 2007-05-29 10:07|| Front Page Top

#8 Mandatory castration sounds like a viable alternative. If carried out on a regular basis it would no longer be "unusual" and, given we are "saving" the perp from his urges, we have to be cruel to be kind.

Also, brand the word "Mohammad" on their foreheads.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-05-29 10:19|| 2007-05-29 10:19|| Front Page Top

#9 Too harsh. How about castration?

Posted by mojo">mojo 2007-05-29 10:37|| 2007-05-29 10:37|| Front Page Top

#10 The devil is in the details. Right now you can be labeled a sex offender for life for as little as public urination while intoxicated. So unless the rules as to *exactly* what merits a death penalty are established, this might be a disaster.

1) A 17 year old who lied about their age, even having a fake ID.
2) Consensual sex between a 16 year old and their 17 year old boy or girlfriend.
3) Previous sexual history, if they have had voluntary sex several times before with other people.
4) Actual physical and psychological damage resulting from the sex act.
5) Crimes associated with the sex act, such as kidnapping, attempted murder, and other aggravating circumstances and actions.
6) Offense committed against family member(s) only, or strangers.
7) Forensic evidence.
8) Confessions and admissions.

Many of these things have already been decided, one way or another, with typical penalties. However, a death penalty trial is almost like a second trial, with very different standards of evidence, and a lot more rules.

For example, in a regular trial, testimony by the molested and prior sexual history might be excluded; but in a death penalty trial they would almost have to be included.

Finally, the appellate rules are going to be complex as hell.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-05-29 10:51|| 2007-05-29 10:51|| Front Page Top

#11 Not a child rape but an example of how bleeding heart liberalism kills.

First a bit of context:

In order to try to conciliate with the progressists in Europe and America late franquism adopted in its penal system all the ideas in vogue during the late sixties about the poor criminal being a victim of society and needing reinsertion (you can drastically reduce your sentence by doing activities like... plying football) an,d grotesquelly reduced sentnces if you were minor.

For details of the following googgle for "Sandra Palo" (there is a petition for reforming the law)

In May 2003 a 22 yers old girl, a retarded girl (incidentally the daughter of one of those working class families the left pretends to defend) was picked by 4 guys, 3 of them minors but all with b>criminal records and carried to an unhabited zone,
First she was beaten to a pulp, then raped repeatedly, then they put her with the back against a wall and ran their car to crush her against it. She was still alive, so they travelled to gas station, bought a can of gasoline, returned and burned her alive. One of minors completely unrepentant minors will be free in the following months. Just 4 years, for the beating, and the rapes and the sadism and the fact the girl was retarded and the murder. The two other minors will do a mere 8 years jail time. They will be free before being 26 years old.

In a "normal" system the girl would be still alive because her muderers would have been in jail for their previous offences. Instead she is dead and it is highly probable she will not be the last victim of her murderers. More murders are to follow. More girls will be killed for pleasing liberals.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-05-29 11:11|| 2007-05-29 11:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Forgot to tell that the preceeding happenned in Sain and that the petition for reforming then law has zero chances of prospering due to the opposition of the socialists and specially of Zapatero.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-05-29 11:14|| 2007-05-29 11:14|| Front Page Top

#13 From a previous post
Hirsi Ali has written that under Dutch law,
Mohammed's marriage to six-year-old A'ishah (whose age is disputed by (a few) Muslim scholars) and his subsequent consummation of the marriage when she was nine would make him a pedophile.
Let's ask CAIR if he should pay the price for his perversion.
Should be interesting to watch them try to wiggle their way out of a "Slam dunk" case.

Posted by tipper 2007-05-29 11:18|| 2007-05-29 11:18|| Front Page Top

#14 remove their twanger

I'm afraid that wouldn't do any good. Rape is a crime of violence, not of sexual passion. Hence the torture death of the poor girl in JFM's example, and why there are those who rape using foreign objects... and even why some rapists are twangerless females. Even chemical castration only removes the sexual aspect of the drive to rape, not the need for violent domination.

Posted by Sperese Squank4268 2007-05-29 11:33|| 2007-05-29 11:33|| Front Page Top

#15 A drunk coed who shows her boobs on spring break can be considered a sex offender. Any laws must take that into account and either clarify the definition of sex offender or specify pedophiles.

Save the boobie flashers, the sex offenders we don't mind.

/sarcasm and stupid laws

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-05-29 13:36|| 2007-05-29 13:36|| Front Page Top

#16 JFM: Forgot to tell that the preceeding happenned in Sain and that the petition for reforming then law has zero chances of prospering due to the opposition of the socialists and specially of Zapatero.

Thank you - if this had happened stateside, they would have spent the rest of their lives in prison - or at the wrong end of a needle.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-05-29 13:37|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-05-29 13:37|| Front Page Top

#17 'moose makes some damn important points. Just as children might be reluctant to report a close family member, they might also falsely report someone out of vindictiveness. Kids have zero concept of legal implications much less death sentences. All they would know is that they were getting someone into trouble. There is also the issue of "implanted" or false memories. Many people have already suffered because of that psychological conundrum.

A death penalty verdict would necessarily have to rely, as gorb mentioned, on incontrovertible proof. DNA evidence springs to mind but the entire issue is still rife with possibilities for error. Also, as Jackal correctly observes, the death penalty might spur offenders to more often kill their highly vulnerable victims.

While child molestation is indeed a heinous crime and worthy of severe penalties, assigning capital punishment to it is another matter. It is an understandable gut reaction, no doubt about it, but one that merits intense and lengthy consideration.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-29 21:29|| 2007-05-29 21:29|| Front Page Top

#18 (1) remove twanger, and (2) frontal lobotomy

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