Article

2010-05-21 Home Front: Culture Wars

The simple truth about illegal immigration

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2010-05-21 12:25|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 As long as we as a nation provide stuff for free, people who don't have that stuff will come here to get it.

It's been that way since man created towns and villages which attracted the nomads to ~~rape, pillage, and loot~~ show up. Soon the settled folk figured walls could keep them out, for a while. Then the raiders and pillagers would take everything outside the wall that wasn't secured inside. Usually they showed up around harvest time to avail themselves of stuff others had labored over. That's when people decided they had to control areas rather than settlements. That created territorial boundaries which neighbors worked out in some form of interaction often referred to as wars in which enough blood was spilled that either made someone respect limits or denuded the area of anything worthwhile. Thousands of years later, we're so enlightened and 'modern' that everything has changed. However, the pillaging, looting, and raping still seems to go on, but the villagers are told to shut up and get along by their betters living behind their own walls.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-05-21 13:36|| 2010-05-21 13:36|| Front Page Top

#2 There is a back burner federal law that may be quickly enacted at any time, called the "DREAM Act".

"The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (The "DREAM Act") is a piece of proposed federal legislation in the United States that was introduced in 2009.

"This bill would provide certain undocumented alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. as minors, and have been in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment (2005 or before, if the bill is passed this year), the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency.

"The alien students would obtain temporary residency for a six year period. Within the six year period, a qualified student must have "acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or [have] completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States," or have "served in the uniformed services for at least 2 years and, if discharged, [have] received an honorable discharge."

"Any alien whose permanent resident status is terminated [according to the terms of the Act] shall return to the immigration status the alien had immediately prior to receiving conditional permanent resident status under this Act."

This would plug a major hole, in that there are a lot of fully assimilated illegal alien children who have lived in the US almost their entire life, and know nothing of Mexico.

Since they are de facto Americans, if not de jure Americans, this would grant them permanent residency status in the US, *not* citizenship, and they would no longer face deportation, *if* they behaved themselves and either got a college degree, or served in the military.

As permanent residents, they would not be able to vote, so would not upset any political apple cart, and could have their residency status revoked, and be kicked out of the US, if they broke any felony law.

This would mean that troublemakers and gang-bangers would be given the boot, and the police could focus on them, instead of those who are behaving and trying to improve themselves, who would want nothing to do with the bad ones, as it could cost them their residency.

I would imagine that, a few years down the road, the US would be able to lighten up on the "good character permanent residents", so they could expedite their citizenship process while continuing to live in the US.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-05-21 14:01|| 2010-05-21 14:01|| Front Page Top

#3 Control the borders first; stem the flow. Then work on the illegal problems within the country. Some of what Anonymoose said.

Milton Friedman made this point some years back: You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-05-21 14:22|| 2010-05-21 14:22|| Front Page Top

#4 If they are here illegally, they should be either be deported, used as involuntary organ donors or executed as they are here in our country illegally, in a time of war.

No mercy and no amnesty.

Posted by Silentbrick 2010-05-21 19:27|| 2010-05-21 19:27|| Front Page Top

#5 Naive libertarian bullshit about open borders. Completely ignores security concerns and the terrorists and weapons that would leverage such border policy.

They have a naive belief that trading with a nation will convince them to put down the military "stick: they hold, and give up control and power. Sorry, not going to happen in a lot of cultures.

They think that if everyone were left to their own, that nobody would decide to rob or steal their way, and that somehow miraculously, powermongers would no longer seek unjust power over others using unjust means and force, just to have power.

Fools. They're just as bad as the collectivists waiting for the perfectable "communist man" to emerge from government conditioning and programming, discarding profit and individualism for faith and sacrifice to the collective. The libertarian's foolish "perfectable man" if formed in the marketplace and somehow discards force and a thirst for power for mercantilism.

Control the borders first, then we can talk about the rest.

Bottom line: "A nation that cannot control its borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

Posted by OldSpook 2010-05-21 21:31|| 2010-05-21 21:31|| Front Page Top

#6 What Spook said. Strife and chaos are the default order for man of woman born.

Especially in Mexico these days. Mexico is a failing state. We need our own state to be as strong as possible when it comes to securing us against this human Chernobyl that is the imploding Mexican state and its lopsided, poverty-producing, oligarch-ridden economy.

Secure the f***ing border, already, and spare us libertarian lunacy.

Posted by lex 2010-05-21 23:05|| 2010-05-21 23:05|| Front Page Top

00:13 OldSpook
23:57 OldSpook
23:32 JosephMendiola
23:24 JosephMendiola
23:21 JosephMendiola
23:19 gorb
23:17 JosephMendiola
23:16 gorb
23:14 lex
23:11 gorb
23:06 gorb
23:05 lex
22:55 JosephMendiola
22:49 JosephMendiola
22:45 JosephMendiola
22:43 gorb
22:34 gorb
22:34 Perfesser
22:33 gorb
22:25 Asymmetrical
22:21 Frank G
22:15 Lumpy Elmoluck5091
22:04 JosephMendiola
22:00 Asymmetrical