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2010-05-18 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Medvedev pays tribute to Ukrainian victims of Stalin famine

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Posted by lotp 2010-05-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 He called the famine a common tragedy suffered by people across the Soviet Union.

True.

Posted by Bugs Spealing3182 2010-05-18 01:19|| 2010-05-18 01:19|| Front Page Top

#2 A natural famine is one thing. A deliberate man-made Famine is another.

I've heard that it wasn't that there wasn't enough food - plenty was grown - but that the soviets collected it all and sold it (to the west).

All to punish the Ukraine for resisting Stalin.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-05-18 01:31|| 2010-05-18 01:31|| Front Page Top

#3 Everyone sing!

We did it before and
we can do it again, Hey!
we can do it again, Hey!
we can do it again
...

Posted by Slereling Panda1329 2010-05-18 05:55|| 2010-05-18 05:55|| Front Page Top

#4 This incident will be all over NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, PBS, CNN,.........

Not.

Posted by no mo uro 2010-05-18 06:08|| 2010-05-18 06:08|| Front Page Top

#5 this was the famine which was the subject of Walter Duranty's false reports in the NYTimes which subsequently won a Publitzer.

Posted by lord garth 2010-05-18 06:39|| 2010-05-18 06:39|| Front Page Top

#6 Robert Conquest in The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine estimates total deaths at 14.5 million. There is no news here. Not only was it the Ukranians but other minorities and the kulak class who knew about private property and efficient farming. Duranty's shame has been public and ignored for decades. Shameful.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-05-18 07:00|| 2010-05-18 07:00|| Front Page Top

#7 quite a lot has been revealed since Robert Conquest book and also his figures include more than just this. His figure for this is 5 million.

The wikipedia has a fairly detailed discussion on the figures.
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The results based on scientific methods obtained prior to the opening of former Soviet archives also varied widely but the range was narrower: for example, 2.5 million (Volodymyr Kubiyovych),[42] 4.8 million (Vasyl Hryshko)[42] and 5 million (Robert Conquest).[44]

One modern calculation that uses demographic data including that available from recently opened Soviet archives narrows the losses to about 3.2 million or, allowing for the lack of precise data, 3 million to 3.5 million.[2][42][45][46][47]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Posted by Bernardz 2010-05-18 12:21|| 2010-05-18 12:21|| Front Page Top

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