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2014-05-06 -Land of the Free

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Posted by badanov 2014-05-06 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Disciple of Night comment: I agree with Max on accessories. Im a minimalist too.

Spend the money on ammo and trips to the range. Concentrate on the 25m to 50m targets to attain proficiency and confidence with the weapon. Being able to successfully engage targets beyond 100m is desirable, but I'd avoid the allure of the sniper. While important, there's a great deal more to long-range marksmanship skills than shooter accuracy.

The advent of thermal imaging and drones are an added downside to snipers and stay-behind types. With a few exceptions, if you've been selected to be a sniper, chances are, your side may not be winning.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-05-06 06:02|| 2014-05-06 06:02|| Front Page Top

#2 On the plus side will be all those fed stockpiles of ammo sitting around with rent-a-guards. Can you say Ethan Allen.

Posted by P2kontheroad 2014-05-06 08:03|| 2014-05-06 08:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Slightly disagree with you, B.

In terms of the military itself, if you've got the stuff to be a sniper, do it. Selection to be a sniper precedes the battlefield and is based upon instructors who actually have battlefield experience as snipers themselves. Your selection as a sniper happens before the war and isn't a reflection on whether or not you are winning or losing in a war.

Stealth tech for snipers is already being used. More to come as armies adapt to drone tech.

Snipers still have a disproportionate effect on the other guy's ability to move and be effective. Throughout the ME our snipers who have an effective range of 2400 yds have severely limited the capabilities of the turbans who have an effective sniper radius of 300 yds. If the ROE were anything like sane the issues in Afghanistan would have been history a long time ago, based largely upon that sniper range advantage.

It has been thus since the advent of high powered rifle. You are familiar with the fact that TR very nearly lost at San Juan hill because of Spanish snipers with 7x57 rifles which way outclassed Americans we clunky, shorter range Krag-Jorgensen 30-40 rifles? If the Spanish had had a few hundred more guys they would have wiped out the entire American force.

You are familiar with what happened to the NZ and Austalian soldiers at the hands of Turkish snipers at Gallipoli?

Hell, what about Agincourt? The concept of hitting the other guys first has been around for a while.

I get that rate of fire and the ability to work that rate of fire at close ranges is important too but the fact is that if the other guy can't even get into range to kill you with his weaponry without being constantly killed and harassed before he can engage you tip the favor of battle towards you hugely.

The key is to practice at all ranges. I shoot at 50 yds and I shoot at the max on the range also. Shooting at the max has greatly improved my shooting overall, and when a buck steps out at 100 yds and I am used to shooting at four or more times that distance! He looks as big as a barn and it's an easy shot.

That means more shooting, but I consider that a feature and not a bug! Agree with spending money on ammo (or in my case, reloading supplies).

Posted by no mo uro 2014-05-06 08:24|| 2014-05-06 08:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Excellent points NMU. My frame of reference was more in keeping with MOUT [emphasis on urban] than Agincourt. As for the ill-fated attempt at taking Constantinople and ending the war; obviously the high ground is most essential. Facing Turkish machineguns were certainly no great help, as were orders issued by the British Army. But they were just Auzzie rankers, [Kilted Scots at Spion Kop]. The advantage generally goes to the defense as opposed to the attacking force, hence the required 'three to one' advantage.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-05-06 08:55|| 2014-05-06 08:55|| Front Page Top

#5 B your very traditional. In my opinion a good thing. I was initially thinking the same thing, snipers crawling in for long shots. But today we seem to confuse snipers with what I would call marksmen. A few teams sitting 400 yards off in support of movement. to the enemy they seem like snipers, but they move with the formation providing cover fires. The Marines in the second Iraq war worked this tactic very well. They were reluctant at first to move snipers in closer to the fight but in a MOUT environment they are not very useful a half mile out.

B I'm certain you understand this, my detail is for the other readers that might not get the different employments of teams like this. No offence meant.

Posted by 49 Pan 2014-05-06 11:36|| 2014-05-06 11:36|| Front Page Top

#6 gotta admit, I'm not that good a shot, so if I hit something I want it to stay down; .556 ain't that effective, so AR platform in .308 mo better.

Speaking of Mo - gotta ask, No Mo Uro, does your nym have anything to do with bladder problems? just askin'....

Posted by Spains Schwarzeneggar5048 2014-05-06 12:33|| 2014-05-06 12:33|| Front Page Top

#7 You should all have a 12ga, an AR and a 9mm pistol. Parts and ammo are ubiquitous shoiuld the need to use them arise...

Posted by Clavitle Prince of the Hemps1626 2014-05-06 14:02|| 2014-05-06 14:02|| Front Page Top

#8 Don't forget that snipers in Western armies are also used as forward observation as well as suppressive fire.

They usually are the first eyes on the objective and give valuable intel to the main force before it hits. Then keeping the bad guys pinned down and picking off the ones stupid enough to pop up their heads during an assault is a nice feature.

Posted by DarthVader 2014-05-06 14:09|| 2014-05-06 14:09|| Front Page Top

#9 Spainssss......

Um, no.

Posted by no mo uro 2014-05-06 15:25|| 2014-05-06 15:25|| Front Page Top

#10 Clavitle -

Good to have 357 Mag, more than 9mm.

Can fire both 357 and 38, the latter being ubiquitous and at least as common as the 9mm, and the 357 is a LOT more powerful.

Nice to have common calibers like 223 and 12 g but also nice to have a couple not so common that you can reload.

Posted by no mo uro 2014-05-06 15:29|| 2014-05-06 15:29|| Front Page Top

#11 None taken Pan. Everyone learns something here, even old buggers like me. It's the remembering that's difficult.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-05-06 16:01|| 2014-05-06 16:01|| Front Page Top

#12 Bes: Thermal imaging can be defeated.

Snipers are IMO, a force multiplier. Implicit in that is shot placement, whether you are a sniper or not, which can also be a force multiplier.

Posted by badanov 2014-05-06 16:27|| http://www.chriscovert.net 2014-05-06 16:27|| Front Page Top

#13 308 AKA 7.62 NATO.

Posted by OldSpook 2014-05-06 18:54|| 2014-05-06 18:54|| Front Page Top

#14 I've got a 308/7.62N AR, with a BDC Eotech holographic sight on it. It's nice. But for my wife I want to get her a 5.56N/.223 AR, lighter and less recoil.

That being said, it's tempting to snag one of those new "Heavy Counter Assault Rifles" based off the BAR. 30 rounds of .30-06:D

Posted by Silentbrick 2014-05-06 20:47|| 2014-05-06 20:47|| Front Page Top

#15 I would go for a 7.62 SLR. (FN_FAL). Its what my hands remember the most.....

Posted by Clyde Elmaising1942 2014-05-06 22:37|| 2014-05-06 22:37|| Front Page Top

#16 Nice choice Clyde, mine as well. I recommend an Auzzie. :-)

Posted by Besoeker 2014-05-06 22:45|| 2014-05-06 22:45|| Front Page Top

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