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2021-04-25 The Grand Turk

In Historic Move, Biden Says 1915 Ottoman Massacres of Armenians Constitute Genocide; Turkey is furious

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Posted by Fred 2021-04-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [8 views ] Top
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#1 Even a stopped clock shows right time twice a day?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-25 00:48|| 2021-04-25 00:48|| Front Page Top

#2 Not really.
The story is much, much more complicated (ala the Balkan Wars) and pretty much everyone played the bad guy at multiple points.

As I remarked before, this episode of theater is mostly aimed at driving up the rental prices on Turkish Armed Forces for E.U. and other western aligned factions.

Posted by Nomad 2021-04-25 04:14|| 2021-04-25 04:14|| Front Page Top

#3 pretty much everyone played the bad guy at multiple points

But there is our bad guys and their bad guys.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-25 04:57|| 2021-04-25 04:57|| Front Page Top

#4 At first glance it does seem like the thing to do, but then you have to think about motive and Mandarin Bei-Den's track record so far. The actual motive might be to further widen the breach between Turkey and the West, not that Yip-yip needs any help in that arena.

Posted by Mercutio 2021-04-25 07:07|| 2021-04-25 07:07|| Front Page Top

#5 Did they consider the ~~troops~~ hostages we still have there?

Posted by Procopius2k 2021-04-25 07:37|| 2021-04-25 07:37|| Front Page Top

#6 24 April is Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day.

Congress passed an Armenia Genocide Resolution in 2019. There is a near consensus among historians that it was a genocide. There is enormous documented evidence.

The only real debate is on the numbers with low estimates at about 1.0M and higher estimates at 1.5M.

Turkey also forcibly converted 100k+ Christian children to Islam in that time period. Turkey also
wiped out much of of the Syriac Christian and a similar percentage of the Greek Orthodox. Combined deaths of these two populations were over 100k.

Before 1920 the Armenian Genocide was the worst such event in Western history.

Later in the 20th century was the Holodomor in the Ukraine (early 1930s), the Holocaust (40s), the Cambodian Class Genocide (70s) and the Rwandan Genocide (90s).

If you add all the deaths of these previously mentioned genocides, they still are fewer than the 25 to 50 million deaths from the Chinese Great Leap Forward beginning in the late 1950s.

The GLF is generally not considered a genocide because Mao presumably believed his policies would work to bring prosperity and ideological purity.

Another case is the Muslim Genocide in India. It lasted from about 1000 to the late 1700s. Certainly more than 100M Hindus were killed, many in battle but many more in massacres.

Posted by Lord Garth 2021-04-25 09:05|| 2021-04-25 09:05|| Front Page Top

#7 just moslems being moslems, aka 'some people did something'

Posted by Retard Strength 2021-04-25 11:23|| 2021-04-25 11:23|| Front Page Top

#8 Joey, the foreign policy whiz-kid. But, hey, I'll give him this one.

But, Armenia is pretty tight with Russia going back over 100 years. That should bother Joey and The Dems, or?

Posted by Clem 2021-04-25 12:50|| 2021-04-25 12:50|| Front Page Top

#9 So what exactly is the point of this after 100+ years? What interest of ours does it serve to point this out now?

What next, a ringing condemnation of the sack of Rome by the Vandals in 410?

Posted by Tom 2021-04-25 13:15|| 2021-04-25 13:15|| Front Page Top

#10 Votes/Support/Pandering. Especially in California.

Posted by Clem 2021-04-25 13:17|| 2021-04-25 13:17|| Front Page Top

#11 Can Joey ring up the President of the Vandals?

Posted by Clem 2021-04-25 13:18|| 2021-04-25 13:18|| Front Page Top

#12 Is there any statues of Suleiman The Magnificent we can tear down?

Posted by Slappy 2021-04-25 14:39|| 2021-04-25 14:39|| Front Page Top

#13 Please limit the width of graphics to 500 pix.

Learning from history is important.

That would include learning that the Turks (as then constituted) inflicted grave atrocities upon the Armenian segment of the human race. Hopefully, the Turks have changed for the better, but (by denying the atrocity) the Turks undermine our confidence that they have changed. It’s like Germans who argue Hitler was misunderstood — I’ve met them & they miss the whole point that any level of holocaust is a bad thing.

We are one race—diverse, unified—the human race.

Devine & bedeviled, we’re best off speaking to our better angels. We are majestic or monsters—in every age, worldwide, no matter our skin color, nationality or creed.

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

“No group consists entirely of decent or indecent people”
~ Victor Frankel

~•~

Most people can see that what happened to the Armenians was genocide. That recognition has widespread, bipartisan support in the USA and worldwide. Beijing Biden recognizing the obvious is simply an attempt by his handlers to shore up his reputation, which is in a profound state of contemptuous collapse.

The undeniable photographic evidence from the time (depicting what the Turks did to the Armenians) sure lacks any other explanation than flat out genocide of the Armenians.

Posted by cingold 2021-04-25 16:40|| 2021-04-25 16:40|| Front Page Top

#14 Bill tossed back his poolside martini.
"That Turk! What a terrible meanie!"
"Yes, downright un-Christian...
Let's use crucifixion,"
Keened Hollywood, dreaming of Jeannie.

Ravished Armenia

Posted by Sheba Sinatra9468 2021-04-25 22:11|| 2021-04-25 22:11|| Front Page Top

#15 Thanks for knowing where the photo comes from.

Apparently, it’s a tame depiction.

Historical photos at this link:
http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/photos_of_armenian_genocide.php

Posted by cingold 2021-04-25 23:53|| 2021-04-25 23:53|| Front Page Top

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