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2004-04-21 Home Front: Politix
Bush Worst Prez - Come On Guys Get A Grip On History
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Posted by Dan 2004-04-21 2:32:45 PM|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Amen to that, brother!
Posted by Raj  2004-04-21 3:11:20 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com]  2004-04-21 3:11:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 "In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people."

Iraq hasn't been liberated yet, by any reasonable definition of "liberation" -- no democracy yet, no indepedence, personal freedoms being restricted by the mullah's militias rather than Saddam's forces. The Taliban were defeated but haven't yet been crushed. As for the nuclear inspectors: please.

And if Al-Qaeda has been "crippled" I've admittedly failed to notice it.

I agree with you that Bush probably isn't the worst US president in history. But he's also far from the best.

"It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation. "

While this one has lasted for more than a year.
Iraq hasn't yet been "taken".
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-04-21 3:20:55 PM||   2004-04-21 3:20:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 As for the nuclear inspectors: please.

That's substantive.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-04-21 3:40:13 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-04-21 3:40:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 For taking on terrorism, and for improving the economy, he's definitely in the top 10, and could make his way into the top 5 by the time he's done.
Posted by geezer  2004-04-21 4:03:48 PM||   2004-04-21 4:03:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 You know what Aris at least he did something,more than I can say for the rest of the Damn world which would have sat back and did nothing.
Posted by djohn66 2004-04-21 4:07:58 PM||   2004-04-21 4:07:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Aris - who would you rate a better president, Clinton or GWB?
Posted by Raj  2004-04-21 4:19:15 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com]  2004-04-21 4:19:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Yeah, bush sucks, for example, aris kasaris is still on the loose, and he's done nothing about it.
Posted by Comment Top  2004-04-21 4:31:11 PM||   2004-04-21 4:31:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 While this one has lasted for more than a year.
Iraq hasn't yet been "taken".

Because "taking" Iraq WW2-style wasn't the plan. Now if Iraq had been assaulted that way, it would have been a done deal a long time ago. The downside to that would be the multitude of complaints about doing it in such a manner.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-04-21 4:43:01 PM||   2004-04-21 4:43:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 I read these comments all the time. I've come to a conclusion regarding a particular commentor..... aris is a fucking idiot.
Posted by Halfass Pete 2004-04-21 5:29:36 PM||   2004-04-21 5:29:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Aris is a lot of things.... but not an idiot.
Posted by Shipman 2004-04-21 6:51:40 PM||   2004-04-21 6:51:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-21 7:16:35 PM||   2004-04-21 7:16:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 that was a vote of confidence, thanks, idiot
Posted by Frank G  2004-04-21 7:28:34 PM||   2004-04-21 7:28:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Is Antiwar the most uninformed troll, completely bereft of logic?

Shit, yeah...
Posted by Raj 2004-04-21 7:29:54 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com]  2004-04-21 7:29:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Raj, as you can see, I concur
Posted by Frank G  2004-04-21 7:31:09 PM||   2004-04-21 7:31:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-21 7:40:32 PM||   2004-04-21 7:40:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 man, I bet that hurt! are you OK Raj?
Posted by Frank G  2004-04-21 7:44:51 PM||   2004-04-21 7:44:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Okay, I am going to come out firmly in favor of Aris, and against "Auntie War", whose disjointed mewlings are not even useful for comic relief.

Now that that unpopularity contest is out of the way, I got this same thing via email a while back. One thing that struck me was the bit "Truman ... started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us" which I thought was untrue, since I seemed to recall that we had *some* troops in Korea at the time. However, lo and behold, a little fact checking showed that the first substantial numbers of troops were sent on July 1, more than a week *after* N Korea attacked.
Posted by Carl in N.H 2004-04-21 8:04:57 PM||   2004-04-21 8:04:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Plus Carl, some high muckety-muck in the Truman administration (Sec State? too lazy too Google) had defined America's security zone in the Far East in a major policy speech and left Korea off the list. It didn't take Stalin long to move.
Posted by 11A5S 2004-04-21 8:21:42 PM||   2004-04-21 8:21:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 ..."Auntie War", whose disjointed mewlings are not even useful for comic relief.

Not entirely true, in my opinion. Yes, her run-of-the-mill drivel is just that; but once in a while she lets go with a real screamer, a titanic pie-thrower that's truly worth the wait. Her best stuff is when she gets really frustrated and tries to sic the Holy Trinity on us by damning us to Hell.

So far, alas, God doesn't seem to be taking her any more seriously than we do.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-04-21 8:24:35 PM||   2004-04-21 8:24:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Raj> Not sure -- it'd be a toughie. I've not studied Chinagate sufficiently but if the little I heard about it is accurate, then Clinton's worse than Bush.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-04-21 9:02:42 PM||   2004-04-21 9:02:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Shipman> "Aris is a lot of things.... but not an idiot."

Why, thank you! I do believe that's the nicest thing anyone has ever told me in Rantburg. :-)
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2004-04-21 9:21:53 PM||   2004-04-21 9:21:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 11A5S: I couldn't remember either, but great guess! It was Dean Acheson, Sec State, in a speech in Jan 1950. At least, that is what we were taught, but, things were probably a lot grayer than that.

And, it seems that the invasion was basically Kimmie Sr.'s baby.
Posted by Carl in N.H.  2004-04-21 10:46:06 PM||   2004-04-21 10:46:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Aris, I disagree with you on many, if not most, things, but an idiot, you're definitely not. Now, Antiwar may redefine the term as far as how low it can go and still have a vertebrae
Posted by Frank G  2004-04-21 11:00:14 PM||   2004-04-21 11:00:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Thanks for the info Carl. We've found out a lot since the USSR fell. I guess I haven't been keeping up.

Aris: I think that everything that the Clintons did paled next to "Travelgate." Travelgate unravelled after the leak about the $200 haircut on the tarmac at LAX. The Clintons blamed the Whitehouse travel office staff for the leak. These were five low-paid civil servants who could have made a lot more money elsewhere, but who worked at the WH for the honor of it. Apparently the leak didn't come from the travel office, and even if it had, the Clintons simply could have had them transferred. Instead, the C's accused them of embezzlement, had them arrested, made them do the perp walk etc. The charges were dropped against four of them almost immediately, and the fifth was found innocent after a short trial. To make matters worse, the C's hired some of Hilary's cousins to run the travel office after the arrests.

The C's abused their power, filed false charges, ruined the careers of five decent human beings, and used the highest office in the land to hire their relatives in the clearest example of nepotism in this country since JFK hired his very unqualified brother to be Attorney General.

To be honest with you, Whitewater, Monica, Chinagate, etc. just didn't bother me that much. I still think that Bill and Hilary should be wearing orange jumpsuits for what they did to those five guys. When the powerful clash, that's one thing. I mean those guys sign up for that sort of thing. They live for it. But when the powerful destroy the weak, the rule of law is undermined. It cannot be tolerated.
Posted by 11A5S 2004-04-21 11:20:11 PM||   2004-04-21 11:20:11 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Antiwar 2004-04-21 7:16:35 PM||   2004-04-21 7:16:35 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Antiwar 2004-04-21 7:40:32 PM||   2004-04-21 7:40:32 PM|| Front Page Top

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