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2005-04-13 Great White North
Canada Collapsing In Liberal Chaos And Despair?
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Posted by Anonymoose 2005-04-13 12:54|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 The link is missing a couple of characters (...p3).

I'm not sure Alberta would want to join the US, but it is a nice piece all the same.
Posted by eLarson 2005-04-13 1:40:57 PM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2005-04-13 1:40:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 And the good news keeps on coming. A Raving Moonbat Troll Alert should be issued forthwith!
Posted by .com 2005-04-13 1:45:28 PM||   2005-04-13 1:45:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 http://jewishworldreview.com/0405/jkelly041305.php3

Sorry, my fault.
Posted by Anonymoose 2005-04-13 2:04:43 PM||   2005-04-13 2:04:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 A buncha hosers, eh?
Posted by badanov  2005-04-13 2:06:21 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2005-04-13 2:06:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Let Quebec secede already!

They don't think of themselves as Canadian anyway.

Let them go - hell, encourage them to go - and let them see how they like being a sovereign nation without the rest of the Canadian teat to suck on.

Then close our border with them and treat them as the hostile nation they are.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2005-04-13 2:30:06 PM||   2005-04-13 2:30:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Two can play the secession game. If Quebec can secede from the Canadian federation by a simple majority vote, so could Alberta. Albertans might well choose to leave a crumbling nation where they are made fun of for the greatest nation on earth, where they would be welcomed.
In the not too distant future we may have on our northern border a series of Canuckistans, and our 51st state.

Texas-Oklahoma of the North,

Quebec :

Grenouille d'Ouest!

Alberta :

Welcome brother!

If Alberta seceeded from Canada, and joined the US, how would their Senators, and congressman get around the residency requirement?

How would Brian Harper feel about a move from leader of the "LOYAL OPPOSITION" of Canada to one of 102 Seantors? What about the 4 or 5 congressmen they would get?
Posted by BigEd 2005-04-13 3:43:08 PM||   2005-04-13 3:43:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Bring 'em in. Oil, Banff, self-reliant and entrepreneurial people: cool.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-13 4:06:05 PM||   2005-04-13 4:06:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 "If Alberta seceeded from Canada, and joined the US, how would their Senators, and congressman get around the residency requirement?"

No sweat - it's all handled in the Statehood Process - briefly described here - and many states have unique provisions, such as Texas owning its offshore mineral rights, etc. There's even a movement in the insanely Blue Hawaii claiming that the process was handled fraudulently.
Posted by .com 2005-04-13 4:16:48 PM||   2005-04-13 4:16:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 How about Yukon, NW Terrs, Manitoba and Saskatchewan while we're at it?
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-13 4:17:47 PM||   2005-04-13 4:17:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Link and addy still will not work(that's ok I got the drift).Would that include the Yukon,either way come on in,supper will be ready in a bit.Would you like a beer.
Posted by raptor 2005-04-13 4:20:46 PM||   2005-04-13 4:20:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Moosehead for me, Raptor. Like, thanks, eh?
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-13 4:24:16 PM||   2005-04-13 4:24:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Whatever that guy is smoking I want some. I don't know one Canadian who would consider making any part of their territory part of the US.

Whatever political problems the Canadians have, and they have plenty right now, will have a Canadian solution. The US should keep it's mouth shut and hands to it's self.

Quebec is just bad French. Whatever is needed to keep them part of the Dominion, the other provinces politicians will do. Just look at past history. Thats not the best solution but that is the way it will be.

Canadian conservatives are more like Texas, Oklahoma or Louisiana Democrats. Not sure I really would want them in Congress or the Senate.

How do I know this? I interact with at least one Canadian everyday. They are from Alberta and British Columbia. I mean everyday. Weekends included.

This guy is smoking something funny.
Posted by Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-04-13 4:38:39 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2005-04-13 4:38:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 How would it work. Each Province becomes a state? That would lead to a lot of political power for the Great White North but considering they probably each have larger populations than a few US states I don't think it's unfair. Or a couple could be lumped into a state? Or all that wish to join could become a single state.

Or would each province cut their own deal.

And then would we make them stay as a territory for awhile? It's not as if they'd have much trouble assimilating (I know many Canadians probably cringe to read that) but a grace period to phase out the money and adjust the laws would probably be useful.

I'd love Canada to join the union as long as they left Quebec behind.
Posted by rjschwarz  2005-04-13 4:53:43 PM|| [http://rjschwarz.com]  2005-04-13 4:53:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 I’m a dual US and Canadian citizen currently residing in Edmonton, Alberta. Just to get things out before I say my observations, my loyalties are with the US and I plan on moving back this summer. I think this article overstates the impact that this inquiry has and the resilience of the Liberal Party and how entrenched and powerful it is within Canada.

First things first, Alberta really isn’t as close to Texas as the author lets on. Edmonton is a very left-wing city and has generally supported the Liberals in the past. Calgary is another matter entirely and they’ve always supported conservative candidates. Both cities are about a million people each and the population outside those two metro areas is pretty much negligible, but they’re farmers, so you can assume they’d support the Conservatives. So, you have Alberta which is generally conservative, but not overwhelmingly so -- only by a small margin.

Secondly, this scandal has made big news, but hasn’t made that huge an impact on people’s minds. Sure, there are a lot of editorials scandalizing the whole thing, but you see a lot of papers actually supporting the Liberal Party, some with the audacity to use the “politics is dirty, but they did the right thing” defense to excuse this scandal. That alone shows how ingrained and supported this party is. You have a case of obvious and inexcusable fraud, but they still whitewash it.

And believe me, there are more “programs” that are probably even worse. I’m sure if there’s ever an investigation into the “gun registry” program, you’d find that it’s even worse than adscam. This is where the Liberal government proposed to spend something like $100 million on a gun-registry system, but the whole thing cost $2 billion.

Finally, there is no way in Hell the Liberal Party would ever be knocked out of the government if there was another election. The Conservative Party only has support in Calgary and the rural areas of the country. Toronto, where the majority of the votes lie, is very pro-Liberal. Quebec will vote Bloc (and they’ll never separate, even if them leaving would do the country a world of good, because they’d lose all the money they’d get in transfer payments). BC will probably split the vote between the Liberals and NDP (which is the socialist party). The Atlantic Provinces will be much the same as BC.

While many Canadians are outraged over this, the majority polled don’t want new elections and want to “wait the judicial process out”. Also, most Canadians polled said they’d vote for the Liberals anyways. Toronto is where the votes and influence are and they still overwhelmingly support the Liberals according to the latest polls.

And never underestimate the Liberal Party’s ability to play dirty politics; it’s their area of expertise. Last election (I voted Conservative, by the way), they were trailing in the polls until about a week before the elections. This is when the smear campaign came in. Not to mention the bombardment of anti-Americanism that was so pervasive. I remember Paul Martin saying that he wouldn’t do “American-style” tax-cuts or implement an “American-style” healthcare system, but that the Conservative Party would. That resonated with the voters and the Liberals ended up winning, albeit with a minority government. I’m sure they’ll play this angle even more this time around. Anti-Americanism is quite the rage in Canada at the moment.
Posted by bonanzabucks 2005-04-13 5:24:18 PM||   2005-04-13 5:24:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 An empty vessel defines itself by negation.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-13 5:26:55 PM||   2005-04-13 5:26:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#16  My favorite political slogan is from a few yrs ago,when Chretien supporters were going around saying "better the crook,than the fascist."

While anti-Americanism will play well for a while,there is the question of what happens when Americans opinion of Canada changes? Up til now most Americans opinion of Canada has been pretty good-it's like a distant relative,like us but w/a few quirks-eh? But more and more Canada looks like a banana republic,and is becoming a laughingstock to Americans. Trying to suppress the news,corruption on a massive scale,the bank involved so deeply in UN/Iraq messes,medical patients fleeing to US to get treated,it's taking a toll of Canad's rep. If ordinary Americans start holding Canada in contempt,how will that reverberate among the millions of Canadians who winter in Florida and elsewhere?
Posted by Stephen 2005-04-13 7:16:43 PM||   2005-04-13 7:16:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 If Canada broke up, the Republicans would be insane to accept any part of Canada into the US. It would simply create new blue states, even bluer than MA. As long as there's a Republican majority in Congress, it wouldn't happen. Now if New England wanted to JOIN Canada ...
Posted by DMFD 2005-04-13 7:19:47 PM||   2005-04-13 7:19:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Gotta agree with SPoD and DMFD.
Posted by too true 2005-04-13 7:30:35 PM||   2005-04-13 7:30:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Up til now most Americans opinion of Canada has been pretty good-it's like a distant relative,like us but w/a few quirks-eh?

Distant relative? No Way! More like our younger bachelor brother who has lived way too long in Ft. Lauderdale.
Posted by Sssssshipman 2005-04-13 7:54:00 PM||   2005-04-13 7:54:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 goodn have ya back ship. :)
Posted by muck4doo 2005-04-13 8:23:29 PM||   2005-04-13 8:23:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 My favorite political slogan is from a few yrs ago,when Chretien supporters were going around saying "better the crook,than the fascist."

And that’s a shame people thought this way because Chretien absolutely ruined this country. Ten years ago, it was a great place to be. Ten years of his rule has made this country an embarrassment. I don’t think Martin is that bad, but he has such the huge manure pile that Chretien made to clean up. If he was in a better political situation (i.e. majority government), you’d see less hostility towards the US.

While anti-Americanism will play well for a while,there is the question of what happens when Americans opinion of Canada changes? Up til now most Americans opinion of Canada has been pretty good-it's like a distant relative,like us but w/a few quirks-eh? But more and more Canada looks like a banana republic,and is becoming a laughingstock to Americans. Trying to suppress the news,corruption on a massive scale,the bank involved so deeply in UN/Iraq messes,medical patients fleeing to US to get treated,it's taking a toll of Canad's rep. If ordinary Americans start holding Canada in contempt,how will that reverberate among the millions of Canadians who winter in Florida and elsewhere?

Thing is that anti-Americanism has always been big here, even before Dubya got into office. I grew up experiencing it. This is something that’s innate to many Canadians and it’s like a way of defining themselves. That’s how insecure people are up here.

Actually, I’m hearing that there’s growing antipathy towards Canadians back home. And it’s about time too. If Americans knew what their distant “cousins” really thought of them, I doubt they’d still consider them family. Especially since most Canadians would do anything, and even take the other side, just to differentiate themselves. Canada needs a good kick in the ass to get back to reality and softening export sales to the US, which essentially runs the Canadian economy, would be this kick.
Posted by bonanzabucks 2005-04-13 10:10:51 PM||   2005-04-13 10:10:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 I consider Canadians "family" in the same sense that Michael considered Freddo family.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-13 10:22:26 PM||   2005-04-13 10:22:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Let me be the first to say here, Welcome home, bonanzabucks! And thanks for the perspective. My Canadian friends here in the Midwest hope never to be sent back home, but they are giving up on old friends up North who refuse to see beyond the cozy parochialism and comfortable stereotypes you describe.
Posted by trailing wife 2005-04-13 10:32:14 PM||   2005-04-13 10:32:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Rantburg has a way of opening new mental horizons. The idea of encouraging Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine to join Canada is brilliant. Maybe we could convince them to take NYC and New Jersey as a package deal. Hillary could be the next PM of Canada, the first one with measurable testosterone levels since Mulroney.
Posted by RWV 2005-04-13 11:37:31 PM||   2005-04-13 11:37:31 PM|| Front Page Top

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