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2014-04-12 -Land of the Free

Nevada militia to feds: Control our borders, not our ranchers.

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Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-12 11:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 The government has no problem not protecting the border and low skill jobs in America, so why a tortoise?

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-04-12 13:39|| 2014-04-12 13:39|| Front Page Top

#2 BTW, the tortoise's range includes the US-Mexican border down in Arizona.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-04-12 13:45|| 2014-04-12 13:45|| Front Page Top

#3 OK, so its over for now. Or a tactical pause, so to speak. Now is the time to really look into these issues.

First is the Bundy family, sure they are breaking the law. This is a window into a 20 plus year fight so the words are harsh. His home and ranch are destroyed, on his private property. Was he being treated fairly? Was the policy on the lands placed in an effort to run the ranchers off the land? His point of the fed making the policy and the fed judging him is valid. A fair trial is questionable. Next step for Bundy would have been to appeal to the UN for peacekeepers...

Second, The BLM had a pretty heavy hand on this. They sent in armed teams. Not defensive teams, but offensive teams. They had snipers. Were these snipers BLM employees? Is it appropriate for the BLM, a regulatory and policy agency to maintain sniper teams? Is it legal/constitutional? These teams were there to shoot Americans! Farmers and ranchers, the salt of this earth. Do they have the authority to threaten and intimidate Americans with snipers? Reports are they were contracted, from where? Other agencies or were they mercenaries?

Free speech zones? Since when? This was not some spur of the moment thought put up by some dumbass officer on site. The signs were metal meaning they were planned. This indicates to me anyway that they knew it was going to get interesting and they wanted to control free speech. A bit over reaching to say the least. This also falls in line with the shutting down of cell towers to limit communications. And then they closed the airspace to limit news aircraft from showing what was going on. Remember that this is without local police or sheriff support. A bull blown military operation run by the BLM. I guess all the FEMA site conspiracy guys were on to something.

Third is the contracts for the land once this is over. The big lie was turtles. The truth came out yesterday over the solar farms deal between Harry Reids son and the Chinese power firm. 24 hours after that was published this thing was all over.

Last but not least in this rant is the state of the American citizen. Americans were a bit torn on this one. Mostly from disbelief that the government could be so wrong or conspire to drive someone out over the years for political gain. The willingness of people from their states to converge on this place, some armed, to protect what they saw as heavy handed over reaching by the feds is a pretty good indicator that Americans are about done with the way DC is running things. When they closed the parks last year DC was over run with protests, most remained peaceful. Now this, it was close.

Posted by 49 Pan 2014-04-12 13:59|| 2014-04-12 13:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Do they have the authority to threaten and intimidate Americans with snipers? Reports are they were contracted, from where? Other agencies or were they mercenaries?

Politicians and bureaucrats don't get kickbacks from employees, they get kickbacks from contractors. So yes, they have contracted killers and they are most likely making a lot of money on the kick backs of your tax dollars being spent on killing American taxpay

Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-04-12 15:12|| 2014-04-12 15:12|| Front Page Top

#5 Feds Abruptly End Cattle Roundup in Nevada
LAS VEGAS April 12, 2014 (AP)

By MARTIN GRIFFITH Associated Press
Associated Press

Federal land managers abruptly ended a roundup of cattle on public land in southern Nevada from a rancher who has refused to recognize their authority, citing a "serious concern" for the safety of employees and the public.

Bureau of Land Management chief Neil Kornze made the announcement Saturday morning at the same time militia members and others gathered near the roundup site to protest the removal of hundreds of Cliven Bundy's cattle.

Some 400 cows were gathered during the roundup that began a week ago, short of the BLM's goal of 900 cows that it says were trespassing on public land.

Bundy didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Link

Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-12 15:49|| 2014-04-12 15:49|| Front Page Top

#6 "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public," BLM Director Neil Kornze said.
"We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner," he said.

Translation: Kornze got the call from the Champ to "put a fork in it, it's done."

Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-12 15:55|| 2014-04-12 15:55|| Front Page Top

#7 First is the Bundy family, sure they are breaking the law.

Depends upon who is making the law. SCOTUS has several occasions sided with Indian tribes for commitments made in the 19th Century that were subsequently altered by law. There are still actions pending on laws that invalidated the obligations under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo from the Mexican-American War. A lot of Anglo judges and lawyers were big on land grabs on that one. There is something called 'grandfathering' in law. So, what is really happening under what principles?

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-04-12 16:25|| 2014-04-12 16:25|| Front Page Top

#8 Reid/BLM Collusion Damage Control AKA CYA:
BLM has agreed to release all confiscated cattle back to the rancher this afternoon in a meeting with armed Bundy Family members.

Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-04-12 17:55|| 2014-04-12 17:55|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm glad it's over. One... I thought he was reaching for a gun, or an accidental discharge and it would have gotten out of control fast. I'd love to see the BLM/Fed LE after action report on this one.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-12 18:01|| 2014-04-12 18:01|| Front Page Top

#10 Were the rounded up cattle taken to market, or destroyed?

Not that it matters to the ranchers, who just witnessed the equivilant of King George's soldiers torching the farms. They find out its all for some Earl to make a few dollars selling American Farmland...to the Chinese...for a solar project?

Growing a herd is like cultivating farmland (thats a very large garden); it takes a long time and requires 5-9 hours and the ability to learn. Generations of ranchers (and you can tell those who would mock their Faith that Darwin also smiles on this) means they are not just doing something right, they are doing many things right, and in an arid land. Its all they know, commanding a group of cowboys to care and raise calves into cattle, to protect them from predators and disease, they supposed to go work at big box ... or worse collect unemployment and a phone?

Have you heard this one? A nomadic people of nature were chased from their ancestral home by the US Government and forced to live in a distant land to collect compensation from the US Government. You think cowboys have forgotton the story of Crazy Horse? When he said have your affairs in order you get the feeling it ain't rhetoric.

Posted by swksvolFF 2014-04-12 18:06|| 2014-04-12 18:06|| Front Page Top

#11

Saturdays standoff.

Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-04-12 18:30|| 2014-04-12 18:30|| Front Page Top

#12 Reid's Chinese Owners won't be happy

Posted by Frank G 2014-04-12 18:44|| 2014-04-12 18:44|| Front Page Top

#13 Expanded Translation: Kornze got the call from the Champ ... "It's polling badly, put a fork in it, it's done."

Posted by Capsu78 2014-04-12 19:32|| 2014-04-12 19:32|| Front Page Top

#14 I am by no means a China scholar, but om my grand tour of China, our Chinese born American tour guide explained how "development" was organized there. A government "announcement" is made that a highway is to be built in a certain direction- often to no where. By the time of the announcement, special "land rights" have already been divied up for the choice parcels along the highway- Frontage, exit areas, potential business parks. There is an "excellerated" building plan put activated- all shovel ready. The "locals" who have been farming or at least squatting and scraping by in peace for 5-10 generations are told "You Go Now"... we don't care where, but you can't stay here.
It is how the Beijing international airport was opened within 24 months from "announcement" to grand opening.
It is also how the Shenzen Industrial Area was developed. Driving along it you think you have been transported to Campbell in the Silicon Valley- except with no parking spots:
http://www.cistc.com/englishversion/China_ST/China_STAdd4.asp?column=162&id=1028

Harry Reids masters must be saying "Why we pay this man again?"

Posted by Capsu78 2014-04-12 19:53|| 2014-04-12 19:53|| Front Page Top

#15 Appears the fellow on the left in #11 may be providing counter-sniper security from the elevated overpass. Also appears he's focused, ready, and possibly well trained.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-12 19:54|| 2014-04-12 19:54|| Front Page Top

#16 Yep Besoeker, looks exactly like special forces in Afghanistan before the main invasion. May well be one of those guys itching for justice against this marxist regime.

Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-04-12 21:39|| 2014-04-12 21:39|| Front Page Top

#17 And the government goons in the right side of the picture are hiding behind their vehicles because they can see the militia snipers above them.

Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-04-12 21:56|| 2014-04-12 21:56|| Front Page Top

#18 Yes Bubba. No doubt the poor buggers have been watching the news as well and are somewhat reluctant to give their arses for Harry Reid.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-12 22:16|| 2014-04-12 22:16|| Front Page Top

#19 This is an excellent thread, dealing with some fundamental issues concerning the survival this country.

Government has grown exponentially with no internal controls

The three branches of government have not lived up to nor obeyed the tenants of the Constitution, our country's bylaws

Half of the potential taxpayers do not pay taxes, so their own skin in the game is maintaining guaranteed dependence.

Government is protecting itself, at any means,
and the actions and policies will morph as the perceptions of the public change and go against government.

We are in the beginning skirmishes of a great battle between government and the people.

We have big government on one side, people who believe in the values delineated by the Founders in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution on the other side----

And a buttload of people in the middle who have not had to put their butts on the line---yet.

This conflict between the government and the people can not be avoided. The stage is set. There is no turning back. I hope we do not have bloodshed.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2014-04-12 22:19|| 2014-04-12 22:19|| Front Page Top

#20 A full blown military operation run by the BLM.

Back in the ol' fUSSR, I used to wonder why the Ministry of the Interior had it's own troops. I get it now.

Posted by SteveS 2014-04-12 22:50|| 2014-04-12 22:50|| Front Page Top

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