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2005-04-02 Europe

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Posted by True German Ally 2005-04-02 3:00:17 PM|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 9:37 PM Rome time...

Vatican announces by E-Mail

Posted by BigEd 2005-04-02 3:02:16 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:02:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Rest in peace, Holy Father. Your Church will never forget you.

Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-04-02 3:03:18 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com/] 2005-04-02 3:03:18 PM|| Front Page Top

MSNBC

Posted by BigEd 2005-04-02 3:05:21 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:05:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 The fisher made port.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-04-02 3:08:06 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:08:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Drudge has it. Not on websites of CNN or Fox, but Shep Smith has a chance to redeem his err, he is announcing it on Fox...

Posted by BigEd 2005-04-02 3:09:15 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:09:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I don't need CNN... The bells of 5 churches ringing tell me so.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-04-02 3:10:52 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:10:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Fox website has it...so does CNN...

CNN

Posted by BigEd 2005-04-02 3:16:05 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:16:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 That's one way to tell TGA.

Posted by Shipman 2005-04-02 3:16:07 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:16:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Fox Article

Posted by BigEd 2005-04-02 3:20:08 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:20:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. (Matthew 7:24,25

Pope John Paul II was that rock to build a church on

Posted by True German Ally 2005-04-02 3:27:11 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:27:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I am so saddened by his passing I can't explain it

Posted by Frank G 2005-04-02 3:30:03 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:30:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 As a Catholic this man meant a great deal to us. I doubt another leader will come like him. I believe he is in a better place.

I think even non Catholic owe him a debt for his leadership in the Cold War. He helped the West build pressure without provocation so it end relatively well vs. some of the other scenarios.

Posted by JAB 2005-04-02 3:35:40 PM|| 2005-04-02 3:35:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Frank, I am not a Catholic, but I feel that sense of loss. Pope John Paul II was man of great character, conviction, and faith. He lived that faith and through his faith and strength he brought hope to people that were hopeless. Here was a holy man that used his life to change things for the better for humanity. All humanity. He personified the teaching of Jesus. He lived the message of God and Jesus. It was not about conversion but a message to everyone, whatever their personal religion.

In my life, I witnessed the passing of Pius XII as a kid, then the reign of John XXIII, then Paul, then Pope John Paul II. The world is diminished by the passing of a great man. But he left the world a better place, too. That is very comforting. We are all witnesses: Catholic and non-Catholic.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-04-02 4:57:50 PM|| 2005-04-02 4:57:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 AP: Your words sum up all of how I feel. We all mourn the loss of such a great man.

Posted by Charles 2005-04-02 5:01:28 PM|| 2005-04-02 5:01:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Few times I've cried as an adult. THis is one of them.

He was able to give of himself even to the end - his death he gave us an example counter to that of the culture of death. He was able to forgive what to most of us would be unforgivable - the person that tried to kill him.

He was as great a man as I've known in my lifetime. He was truly a man of faith. I doubt I will live to see the likes of him.

In the words (attributed to) St. Francis:

For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

In Christ's own words, John 5:28-29

"Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out

God Rest John Paul II

Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-02 5:06:17 PM|| 2005-04-02 5:06:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Dylan Thomas

Posted by True German Ally 2005-04-02 6:36:56 PM|| 2005-04-02 6:36:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Dylan and JP are of pretty much opposite minds on the dying process, I'd say.

JP was a rights revolutionary for others, but a reactionary within the Church. I rather wonder which of those efforts and tendencies absorbed more of his attention and effort.

Posted by Elmoting Granter5218 2005-04-02 7:41:11 PM|| 2005-04-02 7:41:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 That weird ID above was actually me.

Posted by Brian H 2005-04-02 7:44:04 PM|| 2005-04-02 7:44:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Marble Floor

By Karol Wojtyla, Pope John Paul II
translated from the Polish

Our feet meet the earth in this place;
there are so many walls, so many colonnades,
yet we are not lost. If we find
meaning and oneness,
it is the floor that guides us. It joins the spaces
of this great edifice, and joins
the spaces within us,
who walk aware of our weakness and defeat.
Peter, you are the floor, that others
may walk over you (not knowing
where they go). You guide their steps
so that spaces can be one in their eyes,
and from them though is born.
You want to serve their feet that pass
as rock serves the hooves of sheep.
The rock is a gigantic temple floor,
the cross a pasture.

Posted by mom 2005-04-02 7:58:58 PM|| 2005-04-02 7:58:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 and from them THOUGHT is born

Posted by mom 2005-04-02 8:00:00 PM|| 2005-04-02 8:00:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 God bless you, John Paul. Rest in Peace.

Say hi to the Gipper for us...

Posted by Ptah 2005-04-02 8:40:15 PM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2005-04-02 8:40:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 He set the bar as high in death as he did in life. Truly he deserved the epithet "Holy Father". The world has lost a great man and people, regardless of their religious affiliation mourn his passing. Rest in Peace Your Holiness.

Posted by pakinut 2005-04-02 8:47:17 PM|| 2005-04-02 8:47:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Can you beleive the NYT? The pope is dead not even a day and they are already trying hard to discredit him.

Go see Powerline. They publish Hans Kung in JP-II's column. Hans firginn Kung - a guy whose theological stances have been hammered (deservingly so) by the Church as paganistic. May as well have gotten Hitler's input for Roosevelt's funeral.

What is wrong with the NYT and the Left? Can they not let a good man rest even one day?

Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-02 8:50:48 PM|| 2005-04-02 8:50:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 CNN has not been much better.

Posted by Pappy 2005-04-02 9:12:33 PM|| 2005-04-02 9:12:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Thank you for your time served Sir.

Posted by MacNails 2005-04-02 9:13:32 PM|| 2005-04-02 9:13:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 I can't bring myself even to turn on the idiot box today. First it was Michael Jackson. Then it was the Schiavo circus - I'm not dissing her or her family, guys, but the media circus of endless interviews and then interviews about the interviews was absurd.

I refuse to watch Paula Zahn or Aaron Brown look perky / supercilious and try to pretend they know shit about religion. Curdles my stomach.

Posted by too true 2005-04-02 9:15:42 PM|| 2005-04-02 9:15:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Gotta love that little piece in the initial NYT article on JPII:

"need some quote from supporter"

Guess they didn't 'know' anyone in their frame of reference...

Posted by Pappy 2005-04-02 9:16:48 PM|| 2005-04-02 9:16:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Sorry, that last comment wasn't very coherent ...

I just mean that the last 48 hrs of TV about the John Paul II's last days was bad enough. I refuse to watch what they'll try to milk out of it now that he has passed on.

Posted by too true 2005-04-02 9:17:17 PM|| 2005-04-02 9:17:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 John Paul II was a great man of God. I was in college when he was elevated. At first, I was really annoyed by his conservatism. Later, I came to admire his stands and him personally very much. Can anyone imagine what the Church would have become without JP II? I thank God that he was here at this time. Rest in peace, Papa.

Posted by SR-71 2005-04-02 10:20:54 PM|| 2005-04-02 10:20:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Matthew 25:21 -- His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Posted by Mike 2005-04-02 10:47:53 PM|| 2005-04-02 10:47:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 To the above comments: AP, et al, who directed their great comments to me - I am consoled by the wishes and prayers of my betters. To those who made excellent observations and comments - I only wish I was adequate to say "thank you" on his behalf. I'm not, yet I believe JP would say the same were I not here. "Thank You, and continue what you can in your own way, no matter your belief or standing" - it is the individual, deciding "this is NOT RIGHT" that makes the masses that overthrow the wrong

Posted by Frank G 2005-04-02 10:55:28 PM|| 2005-04-02 10:55:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Thanks for the kind sentiments, Frank. I know that this is a sad and difficult day for you.

OldSpook, the same evil that brings the NYT, Teddy K, Michael Shiavo, the Lawyuh, the Judge from Hell, Jaques Chiraq, et al, out of the woodwork is the same evil that brought us Stalin, Hitler, totalitarianism, Islamofascism. At home and abroad we are fighting this evil. The game is for keeps. The game is for the soul of civilization. Pope John Paul II did his part right up to the end of his days. There was no rest for him. He did it with great love, yet with the case of the Nazis and later with the Communists he did not budge. He was an active participant in the struggle. And just a few days ago Terri Shiavo was an unwitting, but still a key participant in this struggle. JP II did it in deeds. Terri did it by just being there. I find it very comforting.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-04-02 11:10:00 PM|| 2005-04-02 11:10:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 RIP JP II. Great man. There has not been a pope quite like him in a long time.

BTW, I may have been dead on thursday evening. Some jerk in a speeding sports car sent my bike and me flyin', after I trashed his windsheeld. My legs are seriously bruised with some lacerations and allowing only a penguin waddle for the moment, and my face does not look pretty either, but despite my age, my bones are apparently still from titanium. No internal or head injuries (my helmet took the impact and is showing what would happen if I did not have it on--a cracked skull).

In a recovery mode now, so I'll be here sporadically, probably fo a week.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-04-02 11:16:45 PM|| 2005-04-02 11:16:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Few times I've cried as an adult. THis is one of them.

He was able to give of himself even to the end - his death he gave us an example counter to that of the culture of death. He was able to forgive what to most of us would be unforgivable - the person that tried to kill him.

He was as great a man as I've known in my lifetime. He was truly a man of faith. I doubt I will live to see the likes of him.

In the words (attributed to) St. Francis:

For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

In Christ's own words, John 5:28-29

"Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out

God Rest John Paul II

Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-02 5:06:17 PM|| 2005-04-02 5:06:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Can you beleive the NYT? The pope is dead not even a day and they are already trying hard to discredit him.

Go see Powerline. They publish Hans Kung in JP-II's column. Hans firginn Kung - a guy whose theological stances have been hammered (deservingly so) by the Church as paganistic. May as well have gotten Hitler's input for Roosevelt's funeral.

What is wrong with the NYT and the Left? Can they not let a good man rest even one day?

Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-02 8:50:48 PM|| 2005-04-02 8:50:48 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-02 5:06:17 PM|| 2005-04-02 5:06:17 PM|| Front Page Top

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