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House Votes 203-58 then Bush Signs Bill for Terri Schiavo

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Posted by BigEd 2005-03-21 2:20:59 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Bravo.

Posted by AzCat 2005-03-21 6:50:28 AM|| 2005-03-21 6:50:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The Democrats prove to be pro-death, again.

Posted by Tom 2005-03-21 8:38:43 AM|| 2005-03-21 8:38:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The Democrats prove to be pro-death, again

The different perspectives are evident on this side of the pond, too, where the Guardian refers to "a right to die case", and as the BBC puts it: "US President George W Bush has signed a law designed to force doctors to keep a severely brain-damaged woman alive". Contemptible bastards.

Posted by Bulldog 2005-03-21 8:53:43 AM|| 2005-03-21 8:53:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 BullDog I left a comment at BBC have your say. I have no great hope they will choose to publish it.

Posted by Sock Puppet Oâ Doom 2005-03-21 8:57:32 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-03-21 8:57:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Say rather that the Democrats are anti-life.

The local TV station here in Washington is giving the strong impression that those damn Republicans are saving someone's life again.

Hell she's been locked in that room for how long? 15 years? Hell I'll be in vegitative state too.

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-21 9:23:40 AM|| 2005-03-21 9:23:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Anyone else remember how up-in-arms the Loony Libs were over a memo from Rumsfeld giving permission to switch Khalid Sheik Mohammed to a cold-food diet? Somehow this was proof that the administration was torturing people...

And yet, suddenly, the same people (by and large) and their political allies want to STARVE someone to death, and have even gone so far as to blather about how "peaceful" and "gentle" a death by dehydration and starvation is.

So, as far as I can tell, for the American Left:

o Be responsible for the murder of 3,000 men, women, and children in the largest single incident of terrorism in history: the US government must keep you alive and COMFORTABLE.

o Be an inconvenience to someone: you have to die.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-03-21 9:29:44 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-03-21 9:29:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Along those lines:

The liberals now stand for death and oppression. And, with their allies on the courts, they use the letter of the law to impose their will.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-03-21 9:50:03 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-03-21 9:50:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Terry Schiavo is NOT in a persistent vegetative state.

She interacts occasionally with her environment. There's direct and compelling evidence of that. That fact alone means that she is not in PVS.

Further, she's never had a proper medical work-up for PVS. The chief expert for the husband is well known to be a full-fledged member of the forced euthanasia movement. He's a professional testifier in the court system and he has, to say the least, a suspect reputation. His claims that Terri has PVS shouldn't be taken without clear verification, and that hasn't been done.

She's never had a brain MRI scan. She's never had a brain PET scan. Both are clearly needed to make a diagnosis of PVS in 2005. I say that as an internist.

If Michael Schiavo starved his dog to death, he'd be brought up on cruelty charges.

The whole euthanasia movement is wrong, wrong, wrong, and their desire is to make it happen in this country under the guise of a "right to die". You might have a right to die, but you 1) don't have a right to involve me as a physicians and 2) you can't start killing others whom you think have "a life not worth living." These people are dangerously wrong, and they have to be stopped.

Posted by Steve White 2005-03-21 11:22:55 AM|| 2005-03-21 11:22:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Isn't the bottom line of all this that the "husband" never brought up her desire not to be kept alive until SEVEN YEARS AFTER HER ILLNESS?

This not only does not pass the smell test, this is like driving past a dairy farm on a foggy morning!

The judge and "husband" can have doctors they know will give the "right answer" in briefs, and everybody thinks they are very cozy, but, owing to the events of 2000, the Florida state courts have shown they are leftist pre-judgingly corrupt, and are being watched.

The Legacy of Lawton Chiles.

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-21 11:42:41 AM|| 2005-03-21 11:42:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 I've been waiting to hear what you had to say about this, Doc. Given that they will have to starve her to death for her to die was all I needed to hear to know that hubby's a complete asshole.

Posted by .com 2005-03-21 11:44:04 AM|| 2005-03-21 11:44:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Old man Schiavo is after the insurance money to help his new life along, as I understand it. Has the insurance company said what they will do?

Life insurance companies want you to live as long as possible so that they can receive and keep the premiums for as long as possible before making the payout. If they allow Mr. Schiavo to collect, they are setting precedent that they will payout on euthanasia. This could accelerate a lot of deaths.

The insurance company has a financial incentive to file a wrongful death suit against Mr. Schiavo, preventing him from collecting on the policy because he caused her death, particularly given what Dr. White stated above. Anybody know who the insurer is?

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-03-21 11:50:04 AM|| 2005-03-21 11:50:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 SOME THING JUST DON'T NEED VISUALS

HAT TIP DRUDGE :

President Bush was asleep, came out in hallway, signed Schiavo bill and went back to bed
Mon Mar 21 2005 13:03:56 ET

Q Can you go over what went on last night, in terms of the President signing the bill and how it went down?

MR. McCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE: Sure. I guess the bill -- the House passed it shortly after midnight, and then the President signed it at 1:11 a.m., in the morning. The Staff Secretary, Brett Kavanaugh, walked the legislation over to the residence for the President to sign. He came outside his bedroom and signed it in the residence.

Q Had he been asleep?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, he was woken up after it was passed, when it was ready to be signed.

Q I heard you describe it earlier, he came out of his bedroom and literally signed it standing up in the hall; is that how it went/

MR. McCLELLAN: That's correct, yes. He was just standing in the hall in the residence an signed the legislation then.

Q Was he wearing --

Q Is it safe to assume he wasn't wearing a suit and tie at the time? (Laughter.)

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm not going into that much detail. Yes, he cleaned up, put on his suit -- (laughter.)

END

1:11 AM : The Prez in a robe with his reading glasses signing legislation...Some things are best left to the minds eye {snicker}

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-21 1:46:18 PM|| 2005-03-21 1:46:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Funny, I don't seem to recall "insert itself into a nasty family squabble" being one of the enumerated powers of the US Govt...

Posted by mojo 2005-03-21 1:52:36 PM|| 2005-03-21 1:52:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Ask OJ about that, mojo.

Posted by Bulldog 2005-03-21 2:15:18 PM|| 2005-03-21 2:15:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Mojo, I do recall something about "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness", and we're talking about Terri Schiavo's life.

She is NOT been demonstrated to be in an irreversible PVS. Until that's been proven, this is forced euthanasia.

Oh, that's too big and fancy a word, a blue state word -- this is murder. There, that's better.

And the state has a responsibility to stop murder, not abet it.

This mashes on one of my hot buttons. Euthanasia, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it, is wrong, wrong, wrong. These people have to be stopped. Terri Schiavo has a right to live.

Posted by Steve White 2005-03-21 2:26:53 PM|| 2005-03-21 2:26:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Key word, guys: State

Murder is a state crime, not federal. The US Congress has no buisness in the mess. State legislature? Maybe, even probably, but it's my understanding that Congress is trying to overrule the state court(s) in this case...

Posted by mojo 2005-03-21 2:56:24 PM|| 2005-03-21 2:56:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Key words: Denial of civil right to live without due process of law. Fourteenth amendment. It's a federal case. The same way the FBI gets into KKK murders.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-03-21 2:59:18 PM|| 2005-03-21 2:59:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Anyone else listening to Hannity?

Is his "big news" rumor have to do with this?

mojo : Mrs. D has it right! 14^th Amendment issue!

Did anyone else hear Rushie talk about the nurse from the late 90s? "Husband" was acting evilly?
.."When's she goona die? I'm gonna be rich!"

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-21 3:08:35 PM|| 2005-03-21 3:08:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 I've never heard this previously from a doc Dr. White. I may be forced to change my mind. There's tons of BS and stylin on both sides of this.... but if you say so, I'm with ya.

Posted by Shipman 2005-03-21 3:26:13 PM|| 2005-03-21 3:26:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Here are the people who voted against Terri Schiavo.

If there is any truth to the rumor about the husband was involved in her condition, then they should all resign. And if they do not resign, massive amounts of money should be put into their districts to defeat them...

Baldwin, Berkley, Bishop (NY), Brown-Waite, Ginny, Butterfield, Capuano, Cardin, Carnahan, Carson, Castle, Clay, Cleaver, Clyburn, Conyers, Davis (FL), Dent, Dicks, Doyle, Evans, Frank (MA), Gutierrez, Hastings (FL), Holt, Hoyer, Israel, Kaptur, Kennedy (RI), Larson (CT), Levin, Lewis (GA), Matsui, McDermott, McKinney, Miller (NC), Moran (VA), Murtha, Nadler, Olver, Pallone, Pascrell, Payne, Price (NC), Reichert, Rothman, Schiff, Schwartz (PA), Scott (VA), Shays, Spratt, Strickland, Thompson (MS), Van Hollen, Visclosky, Wasserman Schultz, Watt, Weiner, Wexler, Wu

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-21 4:15:55 PM|| 2005-03-21 4:15:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Judge Dickhead said, "She lasted 6 days the last time, I have time to decide"

CONGRESS. IMPEACH THIS ASS!

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-21 6:01:04 PM|| 2005-03-21 6:01:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 mojo: Calling this situation a "nasty family squabble" is nothing more than media slant / hype/ deconstructionist/ reductionistic lingo. This isn't a "squabble," it's a test case between justice for disabled people, and those who want to define human worth on the basis of unconsitutional elitist definitions of "viability" and "quality of life." I wouldn't be surprised if insurance companies are largely behind it (follow the money).

The Sean Hannity show featured a Noble Prize nominated physician who spent 10 hours with Teri Shiavo, and he insisted that Teri is not in a coma of any kind (the definition of Persistant Vegetative State - PVS). He insists that she is alert, conscious, and vocalizes in a variety of ways in reponse to others--proof of her attempts to interact with her world. She lists to see who is in the room because she can't see farther than about 18 inches from her face. When someone enters her field of vision, she responds directly. At this point she can eat and drink on her own, but there is a court order preventing it. The physician reported that her husband has denied even the most rudimentary rehabilitative care she needed before and needs now, and has refused to even allow antibiotics to be administered when she has developed uriniary tract and other infections. (What a great guy.)

Additionally, there are affidavits from LPNs indicating that the husband would ask them "Is the bitch dead yet?" and "When is the bitch going to die?" Evidently, he would be upset whenever she improved, and was happy if there was a decline in her recovery. Whenever she was placed in a nursing home, and the staff suggested or began therapy with her, the husband would yank her out of the facility and put her into another one.

Further the physician said that she could still learn to walk, talk, and return home to "enjoy going out to restaurants and movies. "

This is what's going on, Ship. The media is bullshitting about as much, or more, as they do about the Iraq situation. Big surprise? Nope.

About the Florida Courts vs. Congress. A great example of checks and balances in action. Congress is reigning in the out of control legislative branch, which is their right. My opinion is that it's about time.

Posted by ex-lib 2005-03-21 6:17:57 PM|| 2005-03-21 6:17:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 ex-lib do you mean:

Congress is reigning in the out of control ~~legislative~~ judicial branch, which is their right. My opinion is that it's about time.

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-21 6:30:15 PM|| 2005-03-21 6:30:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 This is an easy call: A federal court can intervene if there is "state action". Here a judge (1) ordered the tube removed, and (2) denied a request of the parents that they try to give her food or water by mouth. Under those rules, all the babies in the country would die.

Ask the question this way: Why can't someone just shoot her? If starving her is cool, then why wait so long? She has to die, according to the judge's order!

Finally, this statute merely gives her the same standing as a criminal defendant, i.e., the right to petition a federal court to review a state court decision.

Posted by Kalchas 2005-03-21 6:47:01 PM|| 2005-03-21 6:47:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 BigEd--yeah, I meant judicial branch. I was listening to talk radio at the same time, and they were talking about "legislature, legislature, legislature," so I accidentally transposed. Oops! Thanks for catching it. Ha! : - )

Posted by ex-lib 2005-03-21 6:49:22 PM|| 2005-03-21 6:49:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Having been married for three decades, I can still remember that our wedding vows stated, "in sickness and in health till death do us part," it DID NOT read, "until I can put you to death as I part."

Posted by Captain America 2005-03-21 7:31:33 PM|| 2005-03-21 7:31:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Michael Schiavvo is the only one who claims to know Terri's desire to die. He has shown himself to be less than pond scum, even quitting visitation for her parents while the state kills her. I sincerely wish he and Terri could trade places. He doesn't have her best interests in mind and therefor has NO place as her guardian/executor

Posted by Frank G 2005-03-21 7:53:35 PM|| 2005-03-21 7:53:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Yet another brick in the validation of the "Democrats are the new Nazis" argument.

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