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2018-03-20 Britain
Pat Buchanan: Did Putin Order the Salisbury Hit?
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Posted by Besoeker 2018-03-20 04:28|| || Front Page|| [4 views ]  Top

#1 Novichok was created by Russia's military decades ago and, IIRC, there was a period of time after the USSR imploded where security & supervision at the old Soviet weapons of mass destruction labs was quite poor. The USA & the UK, both having been taking utterly by surprise at the disintegration of a powerful and heavily armed enemy, had to scramble to provide on-site supervision of the most dangerous stuff. For all we know, Christopher Steele was involved in these projects. He was based in Moscow for a time.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2018-03-20 04:40||   2018-03-20 04:40|| Front Page Top

#2 Yes, that would be the same Chirstopher Steele whom we've not seen or heard from in many months now. Probably safe to assume his safe house is NOT in Salisbury.
Posted by Besoeker 2018-03-20 04:44||   2018-03-20 04:44|| Front Page Top

#3 Seamus Martin alleges in the Irish Times:
There are also indications that it [Novichok] could have been smuggled out of the former Soviet Union as far back as 1993.

In September of 1993 as The Irish Times Moscow correspondent I obtained a list of chemical and biological weapons, including Novichok, that were being produced by Russia as the successor state to the Soviet Union. I brought these documents to the recognised expert at the time Dr Thomas Stock of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

Dr Stock’s reaction was that Russia immediately needed western financial help to stop Novichok and other chemical and biological agents being exported illegally by criminal elements. Western help arrived eventually but was it too late. The countries of the former Soviet Union, with the exception of the Baltic nations, were in chaos at the time.

There was money to be made in those days when inflation had reached 2,500 per cent in a single year. Those who became extremely rich by selling natural resources, military equipment or anything they could get their hands on became known as the Russian oligarchs, but not all the oligarchs were Russian. The main production plant for Novichok was in Uzbekistan.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2018-03-20 04:51||   2018-03-20 04:51|| Front Page Top

#4 Yeah, they didn't get their war with Russia and they are super pissed off. Now, supposedly Putin commits a really egregious crime in public for...why exactly? They're really in love with false flag incidents. Remember the WMD memo that got us into war with Iraq? Gulf of Tonkin incident?

For Those Who Don’t ‘Believe’ In ‘Conspiracies’ Here Are 58 Admitted False Flag Attacks
Posted by  Herb McCoy7309 2018-03-20 05:09||   2018-03-20 05:09|| Front Page Top

#5 We now have evidence that Colonel Skripal's BMW was a mobile, Level-4 Novichok manufacturing lab and that an accidental spill has resulted in this unpleasantness.

[sarc tag added]
Posted by Besoeker 2018-03-20 05:20||   2018-03-20 05:20|| Front Page Top

#6 After following all the counter Trump shenanigans after he was elected, I am strongly dis-inclined to believe anything coming from any agency of any government.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2018-03-20 05:23||   2018-03-20 05:23|| Front Page Top

#7 Sorry, but Pat Buchanan is utterly untrustworthy. Some pundits need to retire and spend their last years in obscurity.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2018-03-20 06:50||   2018-03-20 06:50|| Front Page Top

#8 Even a stopped watch, Rob
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2018-03-20 08:25||   2018-03-20 08:25|| Front Page Top

#9 Russia developed Novichok but how difficult is it to manufacture it? If it can be analyzed and identified, it can probably be manufactured by others than Russia? Or if it is still manufactured by Russia, how difficult would it be to smuggle it out of Russia?

As Buchanan said: "Cui bono?"
Posted by JohnQC 2018-03-20 08:41||   2018-03-20 08:41|| Front Page Top

#10 Would a former member of the KGB want to get even with traitorous spy? Nah....
Posted by Mugsy Glink 2018-03-20 08:57||   2018-03-20 08:57|| Front Page Top

#11 Now, supposedly Putin commits a really egregious crime in public for...why exactly?

Why, indeed? I have not seen anything that comes even close to answering that.
Posted by SteveS 2018-03-20 09:01||   2018-03-20 09:01|| Front Page Top

#12 Apparently Vlad has little use for the wealthy Russian oligarchs who relocate to the UK either. Perhaps he would refer they remain in Russia and utilize domestic banking services.

I ran into an old colleague in D.C. a while back. He had lived in Ireland since his retirement from the US Army in the early 1990's. In our ensuing discussion, I was amazed at how one's views of U.S. politics and life in the U.S. in general, can change when one moves abroad.
Posted by Besoeker 2018-03-20 09:07||   2018-03-20 09:07|| Front Page Top

#13 How so, Besoeker? Did he become more left-wing ('cuz he's completely surrounded by it)?
Posted by Raj 2018-03-20 09:14||   2018-03-20 09:14|| Front Page Top

#14 I think it was the Guinness and his rebel nature.
Posted by Besoeker 2018-03-20 09:16||   2018-03-20 09:16|| Front Page Top

#15 I was expecting something else. I had a client for a few years, pretty normal guy, not into politics that I could tell. Suddenly he gets the urge to move to LA and get into acting. Five years later he's a major lefty. We don't talk anymore.
Posted by Raj 2018-03-20 09:23||   2018-03-20 09:23|| Front Page Top

#16 Former Russian spy defects to the UK and subsequently gets bumped off in a manner that other Russian spies considering defection are sure to notice. Sounds like Смерть шпионам to me.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2018-03-20 11:16||   2018-03-20 11:16|| Front Page Top

#17 California echo chamber effects are very hard to resist over time. It’s an immersion in the fantasy soak of successful socialism, you just have to suspend belief in reality.....
Posted by NoMoreBS 2018-03-20 11:23||   2018-03-20 11:23|| Front Page Top

#18 Now,supposedly Putin commits a really egregious crime in public for...why exactly?

Because he can.
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-03-20 12:48||   2018-03-20 12:48|| Front Page Top

#19 (1) Putin did it -- because Putin, (2) Old personal vendetta, (3) Russian mafia hit -- "its just business", (4) Coercion to Skripal's associate(s) -- 'be good or ELSE!', (5) other(?) -- "I dunno, do you?', (6) some, one, or all of the above,
Posted by magpie 2018-03-20 14:01||   2018-03-20 14:01|| Front Page Top

#20 Yeah, they didn't get their war with Russia and they are super pissed off.

Liberals don't want war with Russia. They just want to virtue signal. Notice how Obama deliberately avoided shipping arms to Ukraine.

Conservatives don't want it either. No one's suggesting that we should invade Russia. However, clashes with the Russians in third countries isn't unprecedented. It happened over the skies of Korea as well as Vietnam.

Fact is that the Russians are our adversaries, and Russia is going through a period similar to what the Germans did after WWI. While we are fortunate that the Russian economy is nothing like the German one during the interwar years, the Russians do have nukes, and an unfortunate tendency to talk up those nukes to achieve their territorial goals, including preventing material aid to countries they've invaded. The question is whether we supply Russia's designated victims, or stand back and wait for Russia to cross NATO's boundaries before taking an active role to end its territorial expansion.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2018-03-20 14:10||   2018-03-20 14:10|| Front Page Top

#21 Why did Vlad snuff Skripal in the U.K.--particularly in a way with such a distinctive signature? Vlad could have snuffed him while he was in Russia in a more innocuous way, say to look like an accident or a botched robbery or a drug overdose.

It was reported at wiki that we (U.S.) helped or oversaw the dismantling of the Russian Novichok production facilities.

What #6 said. Be skeptical of everything said until proven otherwise.
Posted by JohnQC 2018-03-20 17:30||   2018-03-20 17:30|| Front Page Top

#22 Parliament just approved a £40+ million budget increase for their Porton Down facility. That's a buttload of laboratory test tubes and petri dishes. No reason given.

Odd timing I'd say.
Posted by Besoeker 2018-03-20 17:41||   2018-03-20 17:41|| Front Page Top

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