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2009-03-19 Home Front: WoT

Ala. sheriff says he asked Rucker MPs for help

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Posted by tu3031 2009-03-19 10:17|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 It wasn't like the troops were used to protect blacks trying to vote which was the real reason for Posse Comitatus (1878) being passed by "Guess that Party" after the Hayes-Tilden election (1877).

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-03-19 10:50|| 2009-03-19 10:50|| Front Page Top

#2 Sounds like a perfectly valid use of MPs. Traffic and crime scene control I think is perfectly fine in this situation.

Watch the dhimocrats make much ado about nothing over this as their popularity number plummet.

Posted by DarthVader 2009-03-19 10:57|| 2009-03-19 10:57|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm with you darth , seems they are just hunting something toom bitch about in a horrible situation

Posted by rabid whitetail 2009-03-19 11:02|| 2009-03-19 11:02|| Front Page Top

#4 What's more interesting is that the MSM never mentions the history of the Posse Comitatus act in stories like this & how it was used to promote white supremacy after the Civil War.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2009-03-19 11:30|| 2009-03-19 11:30|| Front Page Top

#5 Army policy and regulations are pretty clear on this topic, unfortunately. The LTC in his noble effort to help jumped in front of the Post commanders decision. DOD must approve this type work to keep it legal and it can all be done over a phone to make it fast. The community has stood up publicly and said without his help they would have failed. This was good and the TRADOC investigation is to cover the post commander and TRADOC commanders asses. The issue is really liability, if the soldier did something that caused harm or loss of property, the Army would be responsible. If a soldier was hurt he might not be covered in a line of duty investigation. I would be willing to bet a round at the club he will get a good formal ass chewing, explained in detail his errors, threatened with relief for cause, and a week later given a letter of commendation for his and his soldiers actions.

In command I responded after a tornado hit the town next to post. I sent trucks and troops to clear the road for emergency vehicles to get to injured civilians and fires. We save countless lives. I did not get the proper permissions from the post commander and DOD, so I do understand his situation a little. If the Mayor had not gone public with the credit of saving lives, coached on what to say by one of our JAG officers, I would have been relieved for cause. Tricky situation and commanders, like the LTC, do what they think is right and sometimes knowingly suffer the backlash. Hat tip to him, Im glad to see him make the call to do the right thing over the safe.

Posted by 49 Pan 2009-03-19 14:26|| 2009-03-19 14:26|| Front Page Top

#6 So what's going to happen the 'next time' when instead of the usual raving civie suspect it's a terrorist attack that overwhelms the local constabulary who've prematurely stumbled on to an attack? Not that such a thing could happen in a community near a military installation [re: Fort Dix]. Hang on the line for a mother-may-I? [re: the USS Ward at Pearl Harbor]

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-03-19 15:41|| 2009-03-19 15:41|| Front Page Top

#7 What are the possibilities of setting up a mutual aid agreement between small towns/counties near the bases and the base police/fire department, such as are common between contiguous localities? We have such agreements between our county and the surrounding cities, and the county has gone into the city many times to cover when the city was tied up with either a large fire or a rash of fires. The city has backed us up, too, on some large apartment fires near the city line. It's pretty normal for fire and rescue; probably much less normal for police, but I've no doubt there's a mutual aid agreement covering them, too.

Obviously the locality would have to formally ask the base for help before the base could send forces to aid the locality.

And you never can tell - the base might even need firefighting help if they had a conflagration going.

But then, that would take common sense and planning.... :-(

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-03-19 16:09|| 2009-03-19 16:09|| Front Page Top

#8 49Pan,
Thanks for the input. Fits what I HOPED was the likely case, but I did have my doubts.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2009-03-19 19:53|| 2009-03-19 19:53|| Front Page Top

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