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2021-03-16 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

What Are Vaccine Passports‐And How Would They Work?

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Posted by Besoeker 2021-03-16 01:07|| || Front Page|| [10 views ] Top

Posted by Fearing Squat5199 2021-03-16 03:20|| 2021-03-16 03:20|| Front Page Top

#2 Once in place, they will easily, VERY easily, be adapted to evil purposes. Social credit score is just the tip of the iceberg.

Just like social security number went from a tax ID to a virtual national identity document. Just like income tax went from 1% to the monstrosity it is now.

Posted by Elmung Hatrack5948 2021-03-16 04:33|| 2021-03-16 04:33|| Front Page Top

#3 "Voter ID is good", "Vaccination ID is tool of tyrannical oppression"? I guess, being an ignorant foreigner and all, I'm missing something. I just wonder, what would George Washington say?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-03-16 08:22|| 2021-03-16 08:22|| Front Page Top

#4 I'm missing something.

Requiring identification is neutral, g(r)omgoru. The purpose to which it is put determines whether it protects liberty or reduces it. Requiring photo identification in order to vote in order to limit the franchise to actual citizens and prevent all sorts of cheating — voting outside one’s district or voting multiple times or voting as someone else— protects liberty. Requiring an easily forged vaccination certificate in order to engage in everyday activities without providing for certification of naturally acquired immunity via previous infection or natural resistance to the particular infection reduces liberty while doing nothing to reduce the probability of contracting and spreading the disease in question. I’ve already seen reports of forged vaccine certificates, and where governments do make that a requirement, there will be more. I was given a vaccination record card yesterday when I got the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine (I am experiencing a slight soreness in the muscle where the needle was inserted, but nothing more thus far); it looks exactly like the vaccination record cards I’ve received for other vaccines I’ve been given in recent decades — I probably could forge a passable version of the thing myself, were I to see a need to do so

Posted by trailing wife 2021-03-16 10:37|| 2021-03-16 10:37|| Front Page Top

#5 (a) I am experiencing a slight soreness in the muscle where the needle was inserted, but nothing more thus far

Be prepared for a much stronger response 10 - 12 hours after the second jab (much stronger immune response)
It's a good sign.

(b) All of your arguments (faked, etc...) apply to voter ID.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-03-16 10:48|| 2021-03-16 10:48|| Front Page Top

#6 Be prepared for a much stronger response 10 - 12 hours after the second jab

Yes. But I prefer that to the risk of going through what Fred is still recovering from, since I have interesting co-morbidities.

The laminated Ohio-issued driver’s license with holographic security thingy — or non-driver’s license for those who need a photo ID without driving — is not nearly as easy to forge as a bit of printed card with a container label stuck on and my name and the date the dose was given scribbled on by an anonymous pharmacist,

Posted by trailing wife 2021-03-16 11:42|| 2021-03-16 11:42|| Front Page Top

#7 Once upon a time I had to have a little yellow cardstock booklet that I kept with my passport; it had my immunization records, signed by physician IIRC, and was needed to travel to and from at least some foreign countries. Various countries had different immunization requirements and recommendations. Or am I imagining it?

Posted by Glenmore 2021-03-16 11:56|| 2021-03-16 11:56|| Front Page Top

#8 Passports of any kind are designed specifically to control peoples access and movements. I find it hard for anyone that has traveled to a repressive country to argue differently, except of course for Jane Fonda who travelled freely in North Viet-Nam..

Posted by 49 Pan 2021-03-16 11:58|| 2021-03-16 11:58|| Front Page Top

#9 Glenmore, I too have that yellow booklet that I got in the Navy 50 years ago. I never had to use it to travel though. Maybe I haven't gone to the right countries.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2021-03-16 12:08|| 2021-03-16 12:08|| Front Page Top

#10 #6 My point TW, is don't make an elephant out of a fly. A suppressive regime doesn't need all these things you conservatives always worry about - all they need is people willing to knock on your door at 3 am.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-03-16 12:25|| 2021-03-16 12:25|| Front Page Top

#11 They don't need to knock on your door at 3 a.m. if they can use access to things like employment, air travel, schools and restaurants to coerce you into the desired behavior.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2021-03-16 13:32|| 2021-03-16 13:32|| Front Page Top

#12 ^IMO, maybe you don't have enough belief in your countrymen

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-03-16 14:08|| 2021-03-16 14:08|| Front Page Top

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