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2007-03-29 Home Front: Culture Wars

Muslim woman sues judge who ordered her to remove veil

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Posted by ryuge 2007-03-29 10:05|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "...will be whether Paruk would apply the same standard to all witnesses."

How many witnesses want to testigy anonymously?
Do you think that a judge would allow a gang-banger to appear with his ski mask on?

This type of in our face arrogance must be met with a firm hand.
(anyone seen my BP medicine?)

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2007-03-29 10:16|| 2007-03-29 10:16|| Front Page Top

#2 More legal bullying from the mooselimbs.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-03-29 10:27|| 2007-03-29 10:27|| Front Page Top

#3 banning veils is a bit too much , nanny states need to remember they are countrys that supposedly respect individual freedoms, like wearing whatever clothing you want. It's not adressed in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution, its an understood assumption that free people can choose to wear whatever clothing they want.

Posted by Spinegum Ghibelline7215 2007-03-29 11:00|| 2007-03-29 11:00|| Front Page Top

#4 SG Not true at all. There can be restrictions put on clothing by lots of people.

Nor Shoes, No Service (sound familiar). Courts can set reasonable rules. Showing your face is a reasonable rule. In this case how can the defendant face the accuser if said accuser hides behind a mask, hmmmmmm?

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2007-03-29 11:16|| 2007-03-29 11:16|| Front Page Top

#5 What utter bullshit. When one enters a bank, a court room, or a voting booth, one doesn't have a "right" to wear a ski mask.

Posted by Crusader 2007-03-29 11:33|| 2007-03-29 11:33|| Front Page Top

#6 The right to wear whatever clothing you want? Oh, yeah, that *must* be in the Constition somewhere! What are we, back in high school?

One of our legal principles is the right to face (heh) an accuser in court. Even cowboys take off their hats for a driver's license photo.

Posted by SteveS 2007-03-29 11:43|| 2007-03-29 11:43|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm betting she looks better with the niqab on...

Posted by Raj 2007-03-29 11:58|| 2007-03-29 11:58|| Front Page Top

#8 respect individual freedoms, like wearing whatever clothing you want.

You tell them that when you're arrested for nudity on a public beach, Spinegum Ghibelline7215 dear.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-03-29 12:59|| 2007-03-29 12:59|| Front Page Top

#9 Next time I go to court, I'll be wearing a Santa Claus outfit! It's my religion!!

Posted by Crineter Peacock1392 2007-03-29 12:59|| 2007-03-29 12:59|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm going to wear my clown outfit.

Posted by Fester Jomons8988 2007-03-29 15:27|| 2007-03-29 15:27|| Front Page Top

#11 On second thought, if she wants to be free to exercise her religion - should she even be in court?

Posted by Fester Jomons8988 2007-03-29 15:29|| 2007-03-29 15:29|| Front Page Top

#12 Headline is wrong. She was never "ordered" to remove her veil.

Posted by Parabellum 2007-03-29 16:18|| 2007-03-29 16:18|| Front Page Top

#13 It's not adressed in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution, its an understood assumption that free people can choose to wear whatever clothing they want.

And yet you have a Constitutional right to confront witnesses against you. It's in the Sixth Amendment:

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right... to be confronted with the witnesses against him"

Now, how can you confront a witness whose identity cannot be demonstrated? Someone who's wearing a full-facial covering?

The judge recognized this issue:

"In the past, Paruk has noted that not all Muslims consider the niqab a religious symbol. He also has said he sought to accommodate Muhammad by letting her wear the veil except when she was to testify."

Seems like a reasonable restriction to me. If you're going to testify, you have to clearly be the witness called. We have to be able to see your face and clearly hear your voice.

Would it be acceptable for a Klansman to take the stand in his pointed hood?

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-03-29 17:17|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2007-03-29 17:17|| Front Page Top

#14 Would it be acceptable for a Klansman to take the stand in his pointed hood?

Excellent example.

Posted by Fester Jomons8988 2007-03-29 19:41|| 2007-03-29 19:41|| Front Page Top

#15 #5 What utter bullshit. When one enters a bank, a court room, or a voting booth, one doesn't have a "right" to wear a ski mask.

Or A Klan Hood.

Try wearing a Bikini To Court, See what happens.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-03-29 19:47|| 2007-03-29 19:47|| Front Page Top

#16 Now, how can you confront a witness whose identity cannot be demonstrated?

Give RC a kewpie doll! I'm obliged to remove my Fedora in a court of law. I don't get to argue about for even a second. This is just another example of Muslim's seeking preferential treatment. The judge should ask to see this woman's driver's license. I'll dollars to doughnuts that she's not wearing a veil in the photo. If she was willing to comply on that occassion, she has no right to complain about other legal procedings that require her to be unveiled.

I would go so far as to say that a burqa or niqab should not be allowed inside any law enforcement facility. The opportunity for disguise and smuggling of weapons is far to great. In reality, we need to ban all public wearing of the burqa and niqab, but I'll settle for incremental measures if that's what it takes.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-03-29 21:38|| 2007-03-29 21:38|| Front Page Top

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