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2007-03-28 Europe

As the EU turns 50, pope says it's on path to oblivion

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Posted by Fred 2007-03-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 And picking up speed....

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2007-03-28 00:28|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2007-03-28 00:28|| Front Page Top

#2 I like this pope. He certainly does not suffer from a lack of clarity of vision.

Although, I think there is more to the contraction of population than what is apparent on the surface. The odd thing is that the trend is not only present in Europe. Everywhere. It expresses itself in different forms--for instance some countries have relatively high birth rates, but the net gain shows a declining trend.

What is that hidden factor is a good question. I have only a tentative "pet" theory but not far enough with it to present it.

Of course, beside the hidden factor, "picking up speed" in Europe is due to the factors pope so eloquently presented.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-03-28 03:21|| 2007-03-28 03:21|| Front Page Top

#3 I have only a tentative "pet" theory but not far enough with it to present it.

IM(very)HO it's structural (due to higher life standards), cultural (nanny state eliminating the need for large families to support elders, higher cost of raising children & higher expectations of what a child should *have*, hedonism, destructuration of the family cell and patriarchal society, promotion of "alternate lifestyles",...) and environmental (dramatic lowering of the spermatozoid count and testosterone in developed societies due to chemicals found in many, many plastic material, solvants, foods - cf Jim Rutz's serie on soy in WND -,...).

The first one is probably inevitable and should lead to a 2.1+ birthrate, but the last two are quite avoidable; as a matter of fact, the cultural issue is indeed voluntary and is the result of constructivism by the Forces of Progress, while the chemical pollution is an issue not taken into account, in favor of politically-useful imaginary fears like GW.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-03-28 04:05|| 2007-03-28 04:05|| Front Page Top

#4 I have only a tentative "pet" theory but not far enough with it to present it.

Also, while PCT and the famous population reduction supposedly planned by the NWO should be avoided, it's true that the driving ideology of the Enlightened Elites, both in Europe and in the USA (globalism or tranzi) has a distinct malthusian undertone I think, with a zero sum game mentality (cf the Club of Rome's agenda back in the 70's), so population growth is not a priority... even if paradoxally, the EU is well aware this demographic winter is going to be a MAJOR issue soon enough, if only if the social-democrat (socialist) societies are to be preserved... and what is the response? Well, immigration and elargement of course! I remember a pol saying in teevee debate during the 2005 "EU constitution" referendum that "the turks will pay our retirement".

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-03-28 04:13|| 2007-03-28 04:13|| Front Page Top

#5 A5089, from my POV, you describe, in #3, symptoms, rather than causes. One can abstract these as modae operandi or patterns of some basic factor. Will not elaborate at this point.

As the "the turks will pay our retirement", I have to react with a pure unadulterated (almost) evil laugh!

What would be left from Western Europeons would be paying for Turks' retirement. WE's retirement would be guaranteed after assumption of a room temperature.

Not saying that it would last forever. Just that sometimes... the lessons to be learned are very harsh.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-03-28 04:56|| 2007-03-28 04:56|| Front Page Top

#6 2x4, I'd be very interested by your own view on that, even if it's a WIP; please, do elaborate.

Not saying that it would last forever. Just that sometimes... the lessons to be learned are very harsh.

Yes, but learning lessons assume you survive to learn, and what's happening is nothing short of survival at stake, not only culturally, but also as simple continued existence as a population group. What cracks me up is that for the EE, "France" or "Italy" or "Spain" are assumed to be some kind of given assumptions, as if those notions were not dependent upon the persistence of french, italians and spaniards to continue to exist.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-03-28 05:04|| 2007-03-28 05:04|| Front Page Top

#7 A5089, would love to elaborate, but want to be a bit coherent and have still some research to do, to have a reasonable skeleton to flesh out. Gimme some time (at the moment my spare time is rather miniscule, so it may take a while).

as if those notions were not dependent upon the persistence of french, italians and spaniards to continue to exist

Agreed. I am not saying that they will rise from ashes. More likely not. But while big chunks of Western Europe will be colonized, "turkized", Central Europe (formerly called Eastern Europe) wont be. CE has been inoculated for centuries and that is still in their genes (or cultural memory).

So, some ethnica may be gone, but the European culture will survive, and later flourish again. An European Lingua Franca in these times may be a version of Polish, or Czech, or Hungarian.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-03-28 05:40|| 2007-03-28 05:40|| Front Page Top

#8 50 years old, no children---what do you expect?

Posted by gromgoru 2007-03-28 06:25|| 2007-03-28 06:25|| Front Page Top

#9 No children, whatta ya think 400 years of colonialization have brought us(them). Lots and lots of "children"...
algola, liberia, israel, belize, hawaii, philippines, the list goes on and on, not that they're well developed healthy children, however, they are children nonetheless.

Posted by Omailing Gonque3101 2007-03-28 10:13|| 2007-03-28 10:13|| Front Page Top

#10 gromgoru, I'm not really sure I appreciate the insinuation there.

I'm 48 years old, never married, and have no children.

You want a list of names of the women I've been with who will tell you I'm not gay?

Not everyone fits into your nice little pigeonholes, folks.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2007-03-28 17:30|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2007-03-28 17:30|| Front Page Top

#11 FOTSGreg. I wasn't thinking of a gay angle. And I sure as hell don't understand why you responded that way.

By the way man, it isn't too late for you. I'm 48 in a few months, and my wife is 44, and we have an 18 months old son. And we're planning a daughter.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-03-28 21:23|| 2007-03-28 21:23|| Front Page Top